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An indicator with a perfect track record just sent a 'powerful' sell signal
CNBC ^ | 01/26/2018 | Jeff Cox

Posted on 01/26/2018 9:49:25 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: blam

Oh you see copper as an indicator rather than a result? Because an over $3.00 copper price is unrealistic unless we are going to see GLOBAL economic growth.


41 posted on 01/26/2018 11:04:20 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: redgolum

This time it really is different. New tax laws and lower regulations must be considered in the formula.

Tax laws haven’t changed much in 30 years, and when they did it was just tinkering around the edges.

Look at how the corporations have reacted, uber liberal Apple most of all, bringing back money from overseas that will be injected into our economy.

Money is the fuel of the economic engine, and it’s just getting warmed up!...................


42 posted on 01/26/2018 11:05:40 AM PST by Red Badger (Wanna surprise? Google your own name. Wanna have fun? Google your friends names......)
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To: robroys woman

Same with me. Won’t bet against the market but none of old rules, you know like earnings per share, seem to matter any more.


43 posted on 01/26/2018 11:05:49 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

Housing starts up over 11% last quarter. That really drives the economy at least in my neck of the woods. This bull market won’t slow down for a while, IMO.


44 posted on 01/26/2018 11:07:43 AM PST by lodi90
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To: zek157

Nope. Facts, numbers, don’t mean anything. Only “expectations” and some sort of unidentifiable “enthusiasm” investors have for this or that.

Which is why I now understand the electoral betting odds failed to signal Trump and will continue to fail. If stock investors basically rely on common fad like principles, so do investors in election bidding. They are not looking at anything new or creative. They are just seeing and projecting what the talking heads, most of them Democrat, are talking about. They are working on the basis of popular assumptions. And I had actually thought they were doing something careful, like research, to come to their conclusions.


45 posted on 01/26/2018 11:10:55 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: BeauBo

Look at Netflix. You cannot argue it is still a growth company and it trades well over 150 times earnings.


46 posted on 01/26/2018 11:11:42 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Red Badger
The relentless gush of cash into the stock market is sending a powerful "sell" signal

Sure. But this isn't the printed cash that was running up the index during the kenyan's administration

47 posted on 01/26/2018 11:11:46 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: lodi90

Yes, though I lived through times where construction was making up more than 10% of economic growth, wondering how sustainable is a market that depends on that high a level of residential building.


48 posted on 01/26/2018 11:15:37 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: Red Badger

I’m not sure the reward would be worth the risk, trying to time a 6% pullback. IF it was a 20% pullback, maybe.


49 posted on 01/26/2018 11:46:59 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Don’t forget to put the taxes on top................


50 posted on 01/26/2018 11:47:56 AM PST by Red Badger (Wanna surprise? Google your own name. Wanna have fun? Google your friends names......)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Residential building is slowly growing to 1.3 million housing starts. The high was over 2 million in 2005. The low was .485 million(485,000) in 2009.

New home construction has changed to a much heavier percentage of multifamily as opposed to single family. As our population ages the older folks want to sell the 2500-3500 square foot house and move into a smaller 2 bedroom home/condo. Also, the younger people are not buying the McMansions. Many 20-30 somethings are not having kids. Therefore, they do not need bigger houses. Many prefer to not be tied to a single family house in the suburbs.

We have 300 million people in these United States. Based on that most economists state we need to build 1.4-1.5 million homes just to keep up with population. Residences on the average need to be replaced every 75 years. The changes I discussed above are what have contributed to the slow growth in construction. This is good long term. Regionally, there will always be some areas that are a lot busier than others. The fastest growing state as a percentage is Idaho. The state that lost the most population is Illinois.


51 posted on 01/26/2018 11:53:05 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: Red Badger

As I posted a day or two ago, we have been in a spate of market moves where the DOW opens high, then trails off at closing. Day after day. This is an indication of profit taking, not an imminent correction. However, there will always be corrections as no tree goes to the sky. There is a name for people who try to make money by timing the market’s moves. ‘Broke or about to be.’ Buy and hold.


52 posted on 01/26/2018 11:55:05 AM PST by sparklite2 (See more at Sparklite Times)
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To: Sam Gamgee
but none of old rules, you know like earnings per share, seem to matter any more.

they matter. a lot

Look at companies individually and there are still some stocks selling "at good prices". You just have to look at the historical data, compare it with earnings and what the company is doing with it's capital.

The biggest blunder I've made over the last 10 years was buying Gold. It is there but it is just a reserve for capital and isn't earning me anything.

There are stocks of companies with very little debt, growth rate over the last 5 years of >50% and selling for less than there average PE/G.

You just have to do your research and trust your numbers.

I do admit that I'd like to have a nice 10% correction or even a 30% correction. Just put in your stop-limit orders on your gainers and you've protected some of your profits. If you don't sell then just think about a 5-6 year window.

It's just that people try to "get rich quick" as opposed to "get rich slowly". Just don't lose money and let the greatest gift, "compounding interest" do it's work.

53 posted on 01/26/2018 12:06:10 PM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Red Badger

blah, blah, blah. if any of these outfits actually had a “signal” that worked, there is no way in hell that they’d share it with the hoi polloi ...

besides, the Trump economy is just going to keep accelerating through the roof ...


54 posted on 01/26/2018 12:09:11 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Daddaroo
Gee, it sounds like CNBC is rooting for the market to take a big drop

That was my initial take as well; as though their fingers were hopefully crossed.

55 posted on 01/26/2018 12:42:01 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Sirius Lee
What you said.

This is a little different in that it only measures from 2002. Market - and the underlying tax structure - looks a lot different now than it did under BushII and BO.

A better predictor might be to look at the early 80s or mid-60s. Or, how large inflows of cash have affect the market over the long term.

A 16-year horizon is miniscule.

56 posted on 01/26/2018 1:05:16 PM PST by wbill
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To: Sam Gamgee
"Oh you see copper as an indicator rather than a result? Because an over $3.00 copper price is unrealistic unless we are going to see GLOBAL economic growth."

Yes as an indicator.

57 posted on 01/26/2018 2:35:45 PM PST by blam
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To: woodbutcher1963

Interesting. That makes sense. Yes, where we live trying to find a 5 bedroom house is very difficult. Plenty of apartment and condo construction.


58 posted on 01/26/2018 3:17:21 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: speedracerx

If I were not fully invested and had money to invest I echo your view that any correction is a buy opportunity.

Yes, BofA, the same ones that have all the signs in their lobby for latino accounts. The same BofA that used to be Nations Bank, my old bank, and then became the one where the kid behind the counter remarked, “I wish I had that balance in my account” whereupon I told him to get his supervisor and then told the supervisor to cut me a single cashier’s check for the balance of all three of my accounts.


59 posted on 01/26/2018 4:12:28 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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