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Trump imposes 30 percent tariff on solar panel imports
The Hill ^ | 01/22/18 | Timothy Cama

Posted on 01/23/2018 7:13:40 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: Angels27

Solar Edge is one of those American companies.


41 posted on 01/24/2018 3:58:54 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: arrogantsob
“Oh, btw our country was not “built” on a tariff it was a small part of our emergence as a super power.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history

What happened in the 1910s to eclipse the need of the Federal government for tariffs by the 1920s? Are you arguing this became a better situation for the country?

How many states did the US have as of 1920 from when the original 13 colonies to have a tariff were put in place?

What year was slavery ended?

Can you name just two countries who have “free trade” today?

42 posted on 01/24/2018 4:15:15 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: PAR35

>>>It didn’t take the washing machine companies long to respond to the tariffs. One of them is building a factory as fast as it can, and the other started churning out washing machines in South Carolina

But the SC governor and Mark Sanford oppose the tariff because it also puts a tariff on parts. So fewer washers may be built than what was originally planned.


43 posted on 01/24/2018 5:34:53 AM PST by oincobx
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To: ConservativeMind
I’m curious. How would you have responded if these same products from China were banned?

I'd point out that it was another case of the government meddling in the market and thereby raising costs to US consumers.

...choosing to buy a foreign tariffed good is a personal choice no one must make.

The point is that the tariff artificially raises the cost to the consumer. It makes no difference to me whether I have to pay more for a tariffed foreign washer or pay more for an otherwise uncompetitive domestic washer, the effect is the same.

The government is dictating that I pay above market in order to subsidize a favored industry.

We may all decide that this level of picking winners and losers is warranted, but we shouldn't pretend that it's something it isn't.

44 posted on 01/24/2018 6:54:32 AM PST by semimojo
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To: arrogantsob
I thought there was some body which reported the trade unfair and was used to give this a fig leaf.

Although some of the existing tariffs are due to claimed dumping and other banned practices, the new ones are because the US International Trade Commission ruled that the competition was seriously hurting the domestic producers.

In this instance here was no finding that the foreign competitors did anything wrong.

45 posted on 01/24/2018 7:10:10 AM PST by semimojo
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

The terriffs are a disincentive to buy certain foreign made products.
Especially, one’s that could be made in Amwrica?
Kind of the same way the lower mortgage deduction is and a disincentive to cheat other states?


46 posted on 01/24/2018 7:27:42 AM PST by Leep (The dims better watch it..Trump is CRAZY!!)
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To: palmer

It will improve and get cheaper and then utilities can do large scale solar farms to manage it properly.

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I think that’s already the case.


47 posted on 01/24/2018 7:33:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Those huge solar collectors out in the boonies fry lots of birds.

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Those collectors use mirrors. The tariff is on a different kind of technology.


48 posted on 01/24/2018 7:35:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62

remember when environmentalist didn’t want footprints in the desert. Now we have hundreds of acres of these bright shiny metal things. But that’s apparently ok.


49 posted on 01/24/2018 7:38:05 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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To: semimojo
“It makes no difference to me whether I have to pay more for a tariffed foreign washer or pay more for an otherwise uncompetitive domestic washer, the effect is the same.”

I would contend this is not true for you or anyone else who pays taxes in the US.

Salaries earned in the US, regardless of the competitiveness of the worker, still pay lots of taxes, reducing the tax load you otherwise would have to pay. Also, thise workers are not idled, meaning they aren’t out collecting unemployment or committing crimes to stay afloat.

In our society, in which “tax burdens” are borne primarily by people with jobs, having an able-bodied person not working is a real, tangible cost.

50 posted on 01/24/2018 8:20:38 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: semimojo
I’d say income earners easily pay at least 10% of their income on their portion of the burden of idled US citizens. This is noticed in insurance premiums, criminal justice costs, medical costs, welfare costs, food costs, etc.

A product “at the same price” from either our country or another is inherently more costly to your life if bought from a foreign country without a tariff in place to compensate.

51 posted on 01/24/2018 8:27:20 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Also, thise workers are not idled, meaning they aren’t out collecting unemployment or committing crimes to stay afloat.

Fine. But if the government is going to redistribute wealth to take care of those who don't have jobs let's do it more transparently by taxing everyone and allocating the money around openly.

These tariffs are a more complicated means to the same end and they have the effect of distorting the market and favoring certain industries over others.

They're a tax on consumers and the tax receipts go to a certain class of workers through artificially high wages.

52 posted on 01/24/2018 8:29:45 AM PST by semimojo
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

In the overall scheme of things, a tariff on solar panels is trivial.

The fact of import is that the action is a shot that will be heard all around the world and number 1 topic of discussion at Davos.

The president has shaped the Davos battlefield to his advantage.

And as an aside....... the announcement from Apple has firmly girded his flanks.


53 posted on 01/24/2018 8:32:25 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: semimojo
Tariffs are a voluntary tax to pay for a consumer. Additionally, buying a tariffed good assures that consumer, regardless of work status, pays it.

It is equivalent to a national sales tax on only those goods.

What’s not to like a out that? It is a completely legal, demand-based tax that hits foreign good buyers on welfare, earning money “off the table,” and from gainfully-employed persons.

54 posted on 01/24/2018 8:34:26 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

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Except for off-grid applications, solar panels are feel-good Foo-Foo!

The tariff should be 100% on such novelties, refunded to the user in off-grid applications that are verified.
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55 posted on 01/24/2018 8:34:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ConservativeMind
A product “at the same price” from either our country or another is inherently more costly to your life if bought from a foreign country without a tariff in place to compensate.

Maybe, but then let me buy the product I want and openly tax me for the difference.

Your approach costs me the same 10% but the cost is hidden in the higher price of goods from subsidized industries.

All I'm advocating for is transparency and to minimize government driven market distortions.

56 posted on 01/24/2018 8:35:28 AM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
You are free to choose to buy that product or not.

You’ve already been told your Chinese solar cells have a 30% tariff. How many more times must you be told before you understand that?

57 posted on 01/24/2018 8:37:08 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: semimojo
Those “artificially high” wages are paying US Income tax.

Chinese workers don’t.

58 posted on 01/24/2018 8:39:17 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Tariffs are a voluntary tax to pay for a consumer.

No, the choice is to pay for the tariffed imported good or pay an artificially high price for the domestic one.

I want to pay the market price for the good and the government is preventing that.

59 posted on 01/24/2018 8:39:35 AM PST by semimojo
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To: ConservativeMind
...Chinese solar cells have a 30% tariff. How many more times must you be told before you understand that?

Which means that the domestic ones I buy will be 30% higher than the market price.

Thanks for the choice.

60 posted on 01/24/2018 8:41:34 AM PST by semimojo
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