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Frigate Design Awards By April; $950M Max, VLS Mandatory
Breaking Defense ^ | January 09, 2018 | SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR.

Posted on 01/10/2018 7:58:08 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: sukhoi-30mki

Here’s what Wiki says,

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Type: Guided missile frigate
Boats & landing
craft carried: Rigid-Hull Inflatable Boats
Sensors and
processing systems: A COMBATSS-21 Combat Management System (AEGIS derivative)
A fixed, phased-array radar
Next Generation Surface Search Radar
AN/SLQ-61 light weight towed array sonar
AN/SQS-62 Variable-Depth Sonar
AN/SQQ-89F undersea warfare/anti-submarine warfare combat system
Cooperative Engagement Capability

Armament: Possibly RIM-162 ESSM Block 2 and/or RIM-174 Standard ERAM missiles
Four canister launched Over-the-horizon Anti-Ship Weapons
Surface-to-surface Longbow Hellfire missiles
SeaRAM Close-In Weapons System
a Mk 110 57mm gun with the Advanced Low Cost Munition Ordnance (ALaMO) projectile and related systems.[1]
Unknown amount of VLS tubes [2]

Aircraft carried: 1x MH-60R Seahawk helicopter
MQ-8C Firescout

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I’ll take this ship over any surface warship from WW2. Do you know why? The old cans from WW2 would get sunk by this little ole modern frigate every time.


21 posted on 01/10/2018 8:53:10 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DarthVader

Agreed - and use the real estate for more VLS


22 posted on 01/10/2018 8:56:40 PM PST by impactplayer
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To: impactplayer

If you look at the basic characteristics listed in Post #21 you can see that the ship has a good mix of capabilities and looks to be a greatly improved design over the LCS and the old Oliver Hazard Perry frigates from the 80s. However the weapons systems can be improved to be at least on par with the latest Russian and Chinese weapons that are being put on their new advanced frigates. Adding a torpedo capability can help even more


23 posted on 01/10/2018 9:19:06 PM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: DarthVader

Lockheed Martin has already tested a harpoon replacement.


24 posted on 01/10/2018 9:24:25 PM PST by Daaave ('All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by')
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pick one quickly and put 50 of them to sea in 5 years.

While building 3 Virginia class subs every year...with a parallel modern DE build of 3 per year until we reach 30.

And, of course, we must maintain our current build rate of Aegis platforms, and Carriers and Amphibs.

Not all ships have to be $3bil masterpieces. Sometimes you just need platforms at sea that can shoot.


25 posted on 01/10/2018 9:24:33 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: impactplayer

It is not on par with these ships.

China:

https://thediplomat.com/2017/12/china-launches-new-type-054a-guided-missile-stealth-frigate/

Russia:

http://www.military-today.com/navy/admiral_gorshkov_class.htm


26 posted on 01/10/2018 9:26:07 PM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: Daaave

It is better than Harpoon but not in the league of Onyx Yakhunt (Super Sunburn).


27 posted on 01/10/2018 9:29:11 PM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: DesertRhino; Fai Mao

“In any case, this LCS upgrade cannot survive a duel with a T-72 tank on the beach, or defend itself from the ubiquitous motorboat close in attack. It also has no ASW defense.”

The upgraded LCS will not win this competition.

The National Security Frigate will.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2014-04/its-time-sea-control-frigate


28 posted on 01/10/2018 9:30:40 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DesertRhino

The LCS upgrade is only one proposal. The other proposals are actual frigates. It’s thought the current problems with the actual LCS are going to make the “upgraded to frigate” version the odds-on least favorite. The others mount CIWS guns and such.

A WW2 frigate or destroyer could not penetrate battleship armor either, as Taffy 3 demonstrated.


29 posted on 01/10/2018 9:32:04 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: buwaya

“Its unlikely that Harpoons, with a 500 lb warhead, could have sunk a WWII capital ship.”

The Harpoon can blow the antennas off of any WWII ship and take it out of the fight.

It could be sunk later by any available platform.


30 posted on 01/10/2018 9:33:47 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

navyrecognition.com

31 posted on 01/10/2018 9:47:36 PM PST by Daaave ('All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by')
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To: buwaya

IIRC, Harpoons use a much more powerful (weight for weight) explosive compound (DESTEX) than anything non-nuclear in WW2. It also delivers all of it and doesn’t have to crack a heavy shell to get out. WW2 battleship armor piercing shells were something like 2000-3000lbs and had less than 100lbs of bursting charge. Most of the weight of the shell was the actual shell itself, not the explosive.

Yes, it really can be a lot better.


32 posted on 01/10/2018 9:48:19 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: BenLurkin

The helipad and hangers would carry helicopters and large drones. The drones are critical for extending sensor range in today’s battlespace.


33 posted on 01/10/2018 9:54:37 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Yup the usual feeding & feasting of the Military Industrial Complex continues unabated.

At $950 Million per ship I see the usual 10X profit margins are getting fatter while the ships are getting smaller :-(

Just how much did previous or current generation of Destroyers billed at? I dont recall that they were more than $200 Million each?

34 posted on 01/10/2018 9:59:00 PM PST by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be made the Cat Food instead.)
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To: DesertRhino

My sentiments exactly.


35 posted on 01/10/2018 10:03:22 PM PST by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be made the Cat Food instead.)
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To: prophetic

They are only improving things marginally rather than developing weapons that are superior to our enemies. This is what you call crony capitalism.


36 posted on 01/10/2018 10:08:24 PM PST by DarthVader ("The biggest misconception on Free Republic is that the Deep State is invulnerable")
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To: BenLurkin

IMHO, sooner or later the Navy is going to have to go up on tonnage in order to carry the hardware they want. The Demoines class cruisers ran at about 18k tons.


37 posted on 01/11/2018 4:01:17 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The bow has no chin sonar dome. Interesting.


38 posted on 01/11/2018 4:05:49 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DarthVader; zeestephen

Nope 57mm/2.25”/6pdr like on the LCS


39 posted on 01/11/2018 7:30:31 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (don't forget to mouse your sisterhooks)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Thanks for the specs.

Is the primary purpose of the gun to stop attacks by small watercraft?


40 posted on 01/11/2018 7:51:05 PM PST by zeestephen
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