[mlo]

"So says you, but it is defined here"

He is correct. Those rules define the "person" who is under the jurisdiction. Remove someone from that and you make them not under the jurisdiction, which means not subject to our laws.

[MileHi]

Remove someone from that and you make them not under the jurisdiction, which means not subject to our laws. Not sure that being arrested for a crime makes someone a subject of the jurisdiction. They certainly would not be subject to the draft, call for jury duty or other obligations of a citizen. But it would be a stretch to say that they could therefore violate out laws with impunity.

By their own words, the drafters of the 14th amendment did not intend that it would convey citizenship to foreigners. The children of foreigners here illegally are themselves illegal foreigners.