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To: Gamecock

It heavily favors the content providers over those who actually built and operate the internet.

It makes the carriers mere regulated utilities like your local phone provider, or power provider...limited to eight cents on the dollar in profit. And FORCED to sell their services to their competitors at cost.

That’s what will kill the internet as we know it. The march of broadband will stop except as forced by government regulation and subsidy. Additional leaps beyond the 40gbs backbone (to 100gbs and beyond) will be stillborn.

The internet will be frozen in it’s current state. All the while the content providers are free to make as much money as they can even though the people who built the internet have no reason to invest in further expansion.

When the great bandwidth crunch comes, OR the complete burn down of all available IP addresses under IPv4, the content providers will then scream for further regulation to force the carriers to invest without return.

Net Neutrality means Marxist Internet.

And I’ve been in the network business for over 40 years.


46 posted on 12/14/2017 11:03:43 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

“Net Neutrality means Marxist Internet.

And I’ve been in the network business for over 40 years.”

You make some excellent points. Personally, I really do see both sides. I understand the burden put upon ISPs. If only most ISPs weren’t so horrible to deal with!

The bottomline is not what you, or I think of this. It’s what the average user thinks of it. My bet is that it isn’t popular.


78 posted on 12/14/2017 11:33:36 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Mariner
It makes the carriers mere regulated utilities like your local phone provider, or power provider...limited to eight cents on the dollar in profit. And FORCED to sell their services to their competitors at cost.

The problem as I see it is that most of the big carriers are now also content providers - Comcast or ATT (which owns Direct TV) for instance.

Where I live the only high speed internet provider is Comcast. When I moved I decided I wanted to try the Direct TV Now streaming service as my nephew has it and liked it, recommended it. I also stream via Roku, Amazon Prime and Netflix.

But with Comcast as the carrier, I was forced to get their basic cable TV package, granted it is only about 10 channels but I had no choice – want Comcast internet? - you have to at least get their basic cable offering.

But I’ve also noticed that while my internet connection and speed is fine, after I’ve been streaming the Direct TV Now or Amazon or Netflix, after a time, suddenly my speed goes down and the connection becomes unstable. I can’t prove it, but wouldn’t be surprised if Comcast isn’t throttling based on what sites I am connecting to.

The same can be said for my ATT cellular service. I had to get their unlimited data plan in order to qualify for the Direct TV Now package. But the thing is, unlimited data really isn’t unlimited unless I am streaming ATT or Direct TV Now content. I can connect my Roku to my phone via the mobile hot spot and it works, but unless I’m only streaming the Direct TV Now, eventually they throttle me.

I have no problem with internet providers charging based on data usage or performance tiers (Comcast already does this) but I do have a problem when the only game in town is allowed to determine what content you can effectively stream or force you to pay extra for accessing content not part of their mega corporate structure.

And it is only getting worse what with all the mega mergers in the communications industry, see today’s story on the Disney-Fox merger.

83 posted on 12/14/2017 11:42:31 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Mariner
It makes the carriers mere regulated utilities like your local phone provider, or power provider...limited to eight cents on the dollar in profit. And FORCED to sell their services to their competitors at cost.

Nonsense.

85 posted on 12/14/2017 11:47:13 AM PST by semimojo
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To: Mariner
Net Neutrality means Marxist Internet.

Your post was the GREATEST explanation of the debacle known as "Net Neutrality" I have ever read! Bottom line, Net Neutrality regulates the owners of the PHYSICAL cable lines, phone lines, fiber optics, etc... and gives the upper hand and control to the services/companies that travel ON THOSE physical lines!!

And I've been OUT of the network business for the last 16 years...and they were talking about this crap back THEN!
117 posted on 12/14/2017 12:28:18 PM PST by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: Mariner

Thank you. We disagree on some things, but not this. You


197 posted on 12/15/2017 5:07:45 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (MSM is our greatest threat. Disney, Comcast, Hollywood, NYTimes, WaPo...)
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