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Shaver Shooting a Wake-Up Call for Reforms
Townhall.com ^ | Dec 13, 2017 | Bob Barr

Posted on 12/13/2017 2:13:42 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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To: Bonemaker

Until the 90% condemn the horrible 10% they will not have earned it.”


I agree, but I believe it is not 90/10, but more like 50/50.


21 posted on 12/13/2017 4:49:12 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: robroys woman

You do not solve a problem by introducing a larger and more complex problem.


22 posted on 12/13/2017 4:53:39 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Can’t argue with that.

I think the shooter’s police career is over, but it is sad that it cost someone else his life.


23 posted on 12/13/2017 5:08:25 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: bike800
If I could weigh in here...Long post sorry for rant...

Don't apologize. Thank you for doing so.

24 posted on 12/13/2017 5:08:53 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
At one point that evening, likely showing off, Shaver pointed a pellet rifle he used for his job in pest control out of the fifth-floor window, prompting a report to the police from someone who observed this foolhardy act.

I am not sure about that quote. It has been reported Shaver was pointing his pellet rifle out of the window, pointing toward the highway, but I think the actually testimony of the people in the hotel hot tub who called the police was that they saw a silhouette of someone who appeared to be holding a gun.

25 posted on 12/13/2017 5:15:01 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: hadaclueonce

They ordered him to move. When he did, they shot him.


26 posted on 12/13/2017 5:29:59 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: robroys woman

I have many family who are cops.

From a young age, I was told that cops only see two groups of people. Cops and threats. That is it.

If you are in the immediate family of a cop, you MAY get a pass. Maybe.

They are not all violent, not all bad, but they are not your friends.


27 posted on 12/13/2017 5:33:30 AM PST by redgolum
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To: redgolum

I’ve discussed this with quite a few cops over the years. The most telling was a guy I worked with that was an ex-cop. He told me some interesting stories but the thing that was most important was this: His father was still a sheriff and he didn’t have a lot of good things to say about his father (at least as a cop) or the department he worked for.

On a side note, can you imagine the outcry if this victim was black?


28 posted on 12/13/2017 5:39:15 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The solution is to remove LEO immunity to civil suit.and require, as a condition of employment, that LEOs must purchase malpractice insurance. If they cost the insurer more than the actuaries deem reasonable, they will be unemployable in law enforcement.


29 posted on 12/13/2017 6:24:22 AM PST by Zippo44 (Liberal is just another word for poltroon.)
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To: robroys woman
ICYMI

Deaf Man Is Fatally Shot by Oklahoma City Police, Despite Pleas

30 posted on 12/13/2017 11:16:24 AM PST by ex91B10
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To: ex91B10

Though this case is similar, it’s in a different category. The guy on the floor was not holding a weapon and being asked to drop a weapon. Both are similar in that there was ample information for a reasonable man to not shoot.

In my opinion, neither shooting was justified.


31 posted on 12/13/2017 11:24:37 AM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: P-Marlowe
They ordered him to move. When he did, they shot him.

My point exactly, I am not moving, shoot me in the head and my family will never have to work again.

32 posted on 12/13/2017 2:00:10 PM PST by hadaclueonce
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
It is unlikely that when Brailsford arrived at the La Quinta Inn that night, his objective was to kill someone.

Nobody forced Brailsford to have an obscene threat engraved on his rifle. That was purely voluntary on his part, and gives evidence regarding his frame of mind. He wanted to use lethal force.

33 posted on 12/13/2017 2:04:22 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: bike800
“Don’t create a problem that isn’t there to begin with...”.

EXCELLENT advice. Cops who can't deeply internalize that concept need to be booted out before they kill some confused citizen.

34 posted on 12/13/2017 2:07:56 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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