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President Trump signs space policy directive ordering NASA to send humans to the Moon
Spacenews.com ^ | 12/11/2017 | Jeff Foust

Posted on 12/11/2017 1:35:57 PM PST by DFG

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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I can remember as a 21 year old how excited I was to be able to see the Moon landing. I had such high expectations for maned space exploration. I remember seeing 2001 and had visions of huge ships with Pan Am and TWA logos docking with a huge orbiting space station! Vacations to the Moon and Mars. To think we pissed it all away, what a tragedy.


41 posted on 12/11/2017 6:25:53 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God did help the Republic, can we keep it.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
send tunneling robots to the Moon first.

There are already lava tubes on the moon that can be turned into human habitats and working spaces.

42 posted on 12/11/2017 6:38:46 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Leaning Right
Debtor nations should not be sending people to the moon.

We've advanced our technology in computers and robotics to the point where we don't need to send people to the Moon, at least for the next decade or two. We should be sending robotic equipment capable of leveling ground, sinking piers and building structures. Other robotic equipment can mine minerals nearby. Cameras mounted on the landing craft can monitor their progress.

Sending unmanned robotic equipment would be far cheaper than sending humans, and done without risk to human lives. Once a habitat is built and supplies are stationed there, only then should we send humans. In the meantime, we may get lucky and find exotic minerals (rare-earth metals etc.) to mine and send back to Earth to help pay for the exploration. I know, makes too much sense and politicians will never go for it.

43 posted on 12/11/2017 7:34:37 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Windflier
He3... heh... yeah, that may come in handy someday, or rather probably won't:

Sun in a Bottle: The Strange History of Fusion and the Science of Wishful Thinking
Sun in a Bottle:
The Strange History of Fusion
and the Science of Wishful Thinking

by Charles Seife


44 posted on 12/11/2017 8:45:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv; Swordmaker
"Fusion and the Science of Wishful Thinking"

That reference merits an Electric Universe ping 😉

45 posted on 12/11/2017 11:05:34 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Empireoftheatom48
I can remember as a 21 year old how excited I was to be able to see the Moon landing. I had such high expectations for maned space exploration.

I think you speak for most of us boomers. The moon landings were one of the bright spots of our youth.

46 posted on 12/11/2017 11:12:15 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier; yefragetuwrabrumuy; Hardastarboard

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3612672/posts?page=34#34


47 posted on 12/11/2017 11:48:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Windflier
:^) Until someone demonstrates controlled fusion, the theoretical (hypothetical) advantages for useing He3 are not a good argument for renewed lunar visits. If someone were to suddenly make that breakthrough, getting He3 from the Moon would be quick and trivial by comparison. :^)

48 posted on 12/11/2017 11:50:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Windflier

I considered lava tubes, but on the Moon they have their own problems.

Earth is a destructive place, so if nature or man creates it, and it remains over time, it is sound, which includes mines, natural caves and lava tubes. But the Moon is not like that. If it creates something that is not sound, it remains. So you cannot trust the ceiling, walls or floors of a lava tube until you have gone over them with test equipment.

The next problem is that whatever tunnels you have are limited in size by your ability to pressurize and heat them. And it would be far preferable if they were horizontal instead of sloping and irregular. The first tunnel may be only 50’ in length by 7’ in circumference, except for the flat floor.

A man made tunnel can be started in the floor of a crater, going into the side of the crater, in a place chosen as a relatively temperate place, likely near the pole where ice can be mined. A lava tube is wherever.


49 posted on 12/12/2017 3:38:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
...you cannot trust the ceiling, walls or floors of a lava tube until you have gone over them with test equipment.

The next problem is that whatever tunnels you have are limited in size by your ability to pressurize and heat them. And it would be far preferable if they were horizontal <><>instead of sloping and irregular

We have the off-the-shelf technology, experience, and engineering smarts to overcome all of the obstacles you present.

Utilizing the moon's natural geological features to establish an initial beachhead on the moon, is far more doable (and far less expensive) than mounting a robotic mission of heavy tunnel boring equipment.

Carving out our own tunnels and underground chambers is obviously the preferred permanent habitat solution, but those missions will have to come later, as we build up our manned presence and infrastructure.

Think in gradients. Establishing permanent, robust, lunar bases, is a gigantic endeavor which will take many years to fully put in place. It has to be done in baby steps, one bit at a time, similar to how we established human outposts in Antarctica.

50 posted on 12/12/2017 11:35:17 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Tunneling robots use existing technology, and can work continuously and semi autonomously. They could be at it for a year or more before people set foot on the Moon.

Literally the only hard part is getting them to the Moon. Once they arrive they need nothing but remote instructions for all that time. Zero risk.


51 posted on 12/12/2017 2:24:46 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Liberals have become moralistic, dogmatic, sententious, self-righteous, pinch-faced prudes.)
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