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Smith & Wesson owner’s stock takes a shot to the gut
NY Post ^ | December 8, 2017 | Richard Morgan

Posted on 12/09/2017 5:28:44 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

Edited on 12/09/2017 8:16:27 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: BenLurkin
Asking $1,000 for pistol/rifle/shotgun technology which is >100 years old might have something to do with it.

Cabela's may be addressing this reality. I just got a Cabela's ad flyer with some serious discounts across the board for the guns they sell.

41 posted on 12/09/2017 8:25:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Build Kate's wall! Keep illegals and illegal murderers/criminals out of America! MAGA! SLAP ACT!!)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

If S&W sales are down it’s not because I have been a slacker!


42 posted on 12/09/2017 9:19:21 AM PST by fatboy
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To: fuente

You might be interested in knowing that among those that shoot in competitions (USPSA, Steel Challenge, ICORE, IDPA), revolver class, 99% of those shoot S&W revos.

It is true that a current production S&W 327, TRR8, 627, 686, 625, 986 and 929 absolutely require after sale pistol smith attention to make competition ready, the fact remains that no one at the highest levels is using anything else, be it vintage S&W or other gun makes. We refer to them as “kit” guns but once dialed in they are fantastic.


43 posted on 12/09/2017 9:28:03 AM PST by fatboy
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To: Lurker
Thanks, I’ve been hearing good things about it he Ruger.

The Ruger is cast, so they had to beef it up, making it heavier than a forged S&W. I have an M&P 340 scandium frame 1.87 barrel, very light and it is brutal on the hands with the .357 rounds. I think I’ll go to the gun store & rent the Sp101.

44 posted on 12/09/2017 10:08:45 AM PST by dznutz
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To: MV=PY

They need a good government contract.


45 posted on 12/09/2017 10:09:42 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: niteowl77

“The Sigma pistols were poor replacements”

And FYI, the Apex trigger kit is a waste of time and money.
It’s a bear to install and I can’t tell any difference.


46 posted on 12/09/2017 10:19:21 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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To: dznutz

“I think I’ll go to the gun store & rent the Sp101.”

Try it with some of the +P .38 cartridges. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Merry Christmas.

L


47 posted on 12/09/2017 10:50:26 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Vaquero

Yes. Exactly.


48 posted on 12/09/2017 10:50:47 AM PST by headstamp 2 (My "White Privilege" is my work ethic.)
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To: mcshot
My favorite dealer is able to get new models w/o trigger lock.

There are a few models (like the 642) that can be had off the rack, but the selection seems to be pretty limited, at least the last time I checked. Iit would be way cool if they would dump the lock for anything sold outside the coastal leftist collectives.

I have owned a number of S&W firearms over the years, but have never kept any of them. Looking back, I should have kept the 3913, a 2206 and maybe one of the 617s. The others wouldn't fit in my life anymore.

49 posted on 12/09/2017 11:06:22 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: dznutz
I think I’ll go to the gun store & rent the Sp101.

I have had a few of them and liked them, but QC is all over the place even more than the newer S&Ws. We found the 4" SP101 in .357 to have delightful balance and be perfect for informally running .38s through all afternoon long, but it is a bit big for a kit gun, a bit small for a hunting .357, and has less capacity than I care for as a defensive piece of that size. We "Monogripped" ours, deciding that the cross-section of the trad SP101 factory grip was becoming less comfortable over time.

50 posted on 12/09/2017 11:18:36 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: moovova

“BUT, sounds like some deep discounting ahead with the built-up inventory.”

that’s be nice ... i’m in the market for a 638 or 638ct


51 posted on 12/09/2017 11:29:18 AM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: niteowl77
I hear many say they are built like tanks. I looked at one at Bass Pro, $625. Not a big fan of Bass, so I also visited a local mom and pop shop who quoted me new $525 a few months ago. The SP101 looked and felt sturdy, although the finish wasn't on par with the S&W's. Saw the grip area wasn't full frame like the Smiths. Was the monogrip an improvement over the original as far as felt recoil?

Is it a decent gun for conceal carry? Im used to the 1.8" barrel with my older 5 shot .38 with a couple of speed strips so the SP's capacity wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

52 posted on 12/09/2017 3:42:13 PM PST by dznutz
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To: Lurker

Will do, and Merry Christmas to you too sir.


53 posted on 12/09/2017 3:52:18 PM PST by dznutz
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To: niteowl77

I put a set of Eagle grips on mine. Brazilian Rosewood. Fit my hand like a glove. And they look fantastic on that gun.

They’re a local custom shop that works in exotic woods. Check them out on the web. Located in Carol Stream IL.

Best,

L


54 posted on 12/09/2017 4:11:00 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: dznutz
A lot of Ruger fans think the standard grips are the only way to go (or at least the standard grips with aftermarket replacement side panels), but after some time with them both my wife and I like the Hogue monogrip better. We find the added length and the palm-swells let us handle the recoil better. The 4" version is a pussycat with .38 loads, not so much with .357s. The snubbie versions will get your attention when shooting .357s, but are not actually painful to shoot. Be advised that the standard Hogue has finger grooves that don't fit everyone, so "try before you buy."

SP101s are less delicate than a J-frame Smith & Wesson, but I don't consider the "innards" to be a whole lot more rugged than a Smith; the Rugers overall will take more pounding from extensive firing though. Rugers are a lot easier to take apart and reassemble, and you can easily clean up the rough spots inside them... and there WILL be rough spots. A little deburring and a bit of polishing here and there on small components can really do wonders on a Ruger DA, as can playing around with reduced-rate hammer and trigger return springs.

My old and beat-up "carry" SP101 is a "spurless" 2-1/4" barrel variant that is heavy by "snubbie" standards, and larger overall than a 642 or similar S&W. I have the old factory CTC laser grips on it (that I rarely activate), and I replaced the front blade with an XS Sights 24/7 tritium front blade (the standard size, not the "big dot"). It is on the upper limit of what I would want to conceal carry both size-wise and weight-wise. CCW is where the factory grip may be a better choice from a concealability standpoint, because the monogrips are quite a bit "longer." Some consider the snubbie SP101s to be boat anchors vis-a-vis CCW, but I've carried it off and on over the years.

55 posted on 12/09/2017 4:38:52 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: niteowl77
For C.C. I've owned nothing but "hammerless" J-frames inside the waistband, a stainless steel 640, an air-weight, and the M&P 340. I'm a bit concerned about the size and weight difference with the SP101 so if I purchase one I'd probably stick with the standard grips for easier concealment like you said, and go with at least a 3" barrel to get a little more advantage out of the .357 or +P loads as opposed to the snubbie barrel, and hope I can still carry I.W.B.

Thanks for your insight on the Ruger, it makes my decision a little easier.

56 posted on 12/09/2017 5:56:18 PM PST by dznutz
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
A friend of mine runs a firing range, teaches CC classes, defensive shooting, etc. Says business has totally dried up since the election. He believes people thinks their rights are safe enough now.
57 posted on 12/10/2017 5:54:23 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wastoute
Did they ever recover from the damage they did to their brand back when BJ was in the Oval Office?

That's why I don't own any S&W weapons to this day.
58 posted on 12/10/2017 6:12:46 PM PST by farming pharmer
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To: SkyDancer

Unfortunately it’s probably 50-50 whether it will need to back for warranty work. Legacy gun makers have outsourced QC to their customers.


59 posted on 12/10/2017 6:16:47 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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