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To: BroJoeK
So, I take it you believe there's been 63 years of "stirring the pot" since George Wald in 1954?

I'd suggest your studious avoidance of providing even the shirt-tail equivalence of an abstract for some unprecedented discovery addressing abiogenesis demonstrates you're sticking with the rope-a-dope strategy I suspect.

As for your apparent incredulity at my skepticism, it's not as if such a state of affairs is unprecedented in the history of science.

Prior to Einstein, the prevailing opinion of physics was that there was nothing left but further refinement of "measurements." I certainly do not deny there have been grand discoveries in the biological sciences, but if there has been progress in abiogenesis, I've yet to hear of it aside from those proposing such nonsensical magics as "life is cooked into matter at the quantum level."

I suggest that if there were indeed some "Relativity" level breakthrough, the layman would not be able to avoid hearing about it's implications, rather than advocates avoiding elaboration of their esoterica.

95 posted on 11/30/2017 9:07:55 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger; Kaslin; 21twelve
papertyger: "I'd suggest your studious avoidance of providing even the shirt-tail equivalence of an abstract for some unprecedented discovery addressing abiogenesis..."

If it's too much to ask papertyger to read a whole book, then perhaps this "shirt-tail equivalence of an abstract" covering abiogenesis will serve?

papertyger: "...demonstrates you're sticking with the rope-a-dope strategy I suspect. "

"Rope a dope"?
"Rope a dope" suggests I'm trying to get you to throw your best arguments at me, but that's not it at all.
I'm only hoping to entice you to learn something that's actually accurate about science today, as opposed to, say, 63 years ago.

papertyger: "I certainly do not deny there have been grand discoveries in the biological sciences, but if there has been progress in abiogenesis, I've yet to hear of it aside from those proposing such nonsensical magics as 'life is cooked into matter at the quantum level.' "

That's exactly why I've made the effort to look up some basic references for you.
Consider: just an hour or two study of the link above will bring you up-to-date with the basics of abiogenesis thinking.
If you follow the various links in that article, it could take another couple of hours, and then there'd be no need for you to further embarrass yourself spouting nonsense.

In a week or two you could read the books I've recommended and now you'd be pretty knowledgeable of the current state of understanding.
Then there'd be no more need for you to do battle with straw-men from 1954!!

papertyger: "I suggest that if there were indeed some 'Relativity' level breakthrough, the layman would not be able to avoid hearing about it's implications, rather than advocates avoiding elaboration of their esoterica."

Nobody has ever suggested such a revolutionary breakthrough as Einstein's relativity theory was.
Instead, we see a long list of baby-step observations/hypotheses toward greater understanding, certainly today far beyond what George Wald could imagine in 1954.


100 posted on 11/30/2017 1:09:44 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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