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Posted on 11/19/2017 10:38:25 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
Apparently you're too busy washing your own balls to see the idiotic contradiction in your own statements. lol
” where a nuclear strike would be illegal because it violates necessity, proportionality and discrimination. “
Where is that in the US Code?
Well, actually his assignments indicate he is a highly skilled space warfare specialist. But I understand those who think that someone who spent his life in missile and space operations would be unqualified to command the organization that combines missile and space operations to acquire intelligence on potential attacks, ensure secure communications to order nuclear strikes and oversee the operations, maintenance and tactics involved in ensuring that our missile fields and submarines can deliver a nuclear strike if so ordered by the NCA.
These are clearly things that should be done by a fighter jock or someone who a marine who marched point in the field.
You have someone who spent a lifetime being educated and trained for this job and you want to throw him under the bus because he might be an Obamabot, REMF keyboard operator.
You are way way way way way out of your depth.
Who do you think is going to report it if he did? Get real!
Fox? Brietbart? But that’s not the point. The point is it’s obviously not a big deal to him that he undermined POTUS and therefore our national security.
You think the Norks don’t watch CNN? “General will refuse illegal order from Trump” was their headline all day.
The good General created this FUBAR by going into a nest of rabid Trump haters and giving them some red meat. He knew what he was doing, did not and now doesn’t care.
I concede the argument. You have the force of reason on your side.
Well, actually his assignments indicate he is a highly skilled space warfare specialist.
Then he should stay at his desk. Nothing good will come out of him attending the hyper political and Trump hating “security conference” rubber chicken circuit.
I don't think you quite realize how it works, but the good general went into that rabid nest because the political leadership - Mattis, the WH - determined that his attendance at that conference was the right thing to do. He didn't just go because he thought it would be a neat boondoggle. Life doesn't work that way.
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For instance, you might have pointed out this important piece of the article:
Former Defense Secretary Ash Carter recently pushed back against the fear-mongering that Trump alone could start a nuclear war against North Korea, explaining there is a deliberative process that includes multiple cabinet secretaries. “The way it is set up, it is a deliberative process that involves the secretary of defense — the principal adviser to the president on these matters — the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and others in the chain of command, but also the secretary of state, the national security adviser, the director of national intelligence, the director of CIA,” he told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour earlier this week.
Amanpour told Carter she thought it would be a “great comfort” to people for people to hear him say that.
That's actually an important message to get across - that you don't just get a message PAL CODE 0000000 - GO GO GO, and the missiles fly and the aircraft launch. Go where? Launch when? People have to decide these things. What targets? What purpose?
“You are way way way way way out of your depth. “
It’s either in the US Code or a ratified treaty.
Or it’s not biding on any POTUS or General.
So it’s incumbent on the person making the assertion to substantiate it.
The utter ignorance of military affairs on this conservative website is breath-taking.
Military officers are not robots. Thank goodness. It is how we beat the Germans and how we would have beaten the Soviets - individual initiative and creativity to get the job done to defeat the enemy.
I would like to take a pole of those who actually served as US military officers here and ask how many of them thought they signed up to blindly and unquestionably "follow orders." - In fact the whole notion of "following orders" is a misunderstanding of how the military works. In the military you have a job and you do it. You do it by using your professional education and training, working with those around you and inspiring subordinates to use their education and training to do their jobs - which is an officer's job.
Follow orders? I cannot remember when I got a direct order - do this because I said to do it and do it now.
It is chock-a-block with citations to laws and treaties. Enjoy.
Where and how did he do that?
Has ANY General come out FOR obeying ILLEGAL orders?
It’s like puffing up your chest and stating “I’m against rabies.”
“The way the process work is it’s simple. I provide advice to the president. He’ll tell me what to do, and if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, Mr. President, that’s illegal. Guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options of a mix of capabilities to respond whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated,” he said.
It's not that complicated!
He is, too, a REMF — positive ID.
It’s clear by the reference that the US can undertake a preemptive nuclear war based on evidence that another state is intent to attack.
It is also clear that nobody in the world has jurisdiction over a US President besides the US Congress who can only impeach and remove.
“Jurisdiction Over War Crime
s. States must have jurisdiction over an alleged
18.21.1
offense to prosecute
a person for committing war crimes or other punishable offenses committed
during armed conflict.
The ONLY international bodies which would be so foolish to claim jurisdiction in such a scenario are the ICC and the UN Security Council.
The ICC tried and we ignored them. And it was over something far more trivial than the above scenario.
We have a veto at the UN Security Council, and that same POTUS could order his ambassador to use it.
So, just who would enforce this DoD law of war if not the DoD itself? And, is the DoD so presumptuous as to believe it could enforce some provision against a General for following the Direct Order of POTUS?
It’s ludicrous on its face.
That would be an illegal order and no one but an idiot would follow it. I am not suggesting that Trump would be so stupid, but his detractors have said worse about him.
Actually, yes. Look at the travesty of a military conflict we ran in Vietnam with Generals saying yes sir while President Johnson selected bombing targets. Not only was in militarily ineffective, it was an utter waste of American lives and treasure. In fact, another unpopular General, McMaster wrote a whole book on it called "Dereliction of Duty."
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