Posted on 11/09/2017 12:18:48 PM PST by Red Steel
one was 18
one was 17 but SHE says nothing happened (he read her poetry etc)
these are weak accusations. but it is an intimidation effort.
Odd how he was put on the state supreme court TWICE by the voters.
mcconel WANTS to lose the majority. it is the only logical conclusion.
OK. So let’s get this out there even if a PAC has to buy an ad
(s)...and he read her poetry!!!!!(/s)
“it is clear that what happened yesterday was a coordinated hit job on Moore following the previous day’s news that he had a double-digit lead over Jones in the latest polling”
It is refreshing to see a fellow conservative who keeps an open mind to feedback and is willing to reflect and change.
There is a war being waged for our minds, and we need to be vigilantly guarding against this.
He wants to maintain the uniparty majority. Does not care which party is nominally in power. Scum.
And with the revelations that one of the accusers works for the Dems, and the WashPo reporter is on tape offering to pay $1000 for dirt on Moore; and the news that the accused has made false charges before, including cases dismissed by the court with prejudice...
Let's just say I now believe in cheese pizza.
One guy says the Sean Hannity interview did Roy no favors because instead of him saying he did not do it, he told Sean " I do not recall"
and another person said Roy better get all his facts straight when Roy told Hannity he never dated anyone in their teens but there is a Mother in the WAPO article that objected to Roy dating her daughter
They don’t understand that they maxed out their Bork card a long time ago.
Callendar formerly did scandal work for Jefferson, and was denied a postal position, and was furious about it, turning vicious revenge seeker. You know where you can go to show you how wrong you are- and it is all in hard print- true scholarly work. Your other two statements prove nothing- Hemings was “said to be” a half-sister (rather thin, that and based on the rumor that John Wayles following the death of his third wife took the mulatto slave Betty Hemings as a concubine for the rest of his life. Rumor. According to this same rumor, never documented as true, in 12 years they had six children, youngest of whom was Sally Hemings).
Stating whom Jefferson allowed to stay or not stay also proves nothing. Science however, raises many definitive fact based questions vs. these “absolutes”.
From the human history side—In 1868 a letter from Jefferson biographer Henry Randall to historian James Parton, states that Jefferson’s grandson Thomas Jefferson Randolph, recorded that Jefferson’s surviving daughter Martha (Martha Jefferson Randolph-who was devoted to him) on her deathbed stated that Jefferson had been away from Monticello for 15 months before one of Hemings’ children was born and thus could not possibly be the father.
Peter Carr, Jefferson’s nephew by his sister, and/or Peter’s brother (both of whom were married men at the time and well-known for impregnating slave females in the area), had fathered Hemings’ children- furthermore, Peter Carr’s role was sworn to by Randolph. And the pesky Y chromosome issue comes up here and elsewhere.
Simply utilizing Jefferson’s Farm Book as a guide or definitive chronology is foolish, as is trying to claim without question that Jefferson fathered any one child or all, based on where he was deduced therefrom to have been at the so-called “time” of conception in regressional 9 month timelines (lots of holes there). Rather sketchy work being given an absolute stamp by ad nauseum repetition.
The DNA study that needs to be done regarding the local population present around Monticello two hundred years ago, in regards to the potential Y chromosome markers shared with Thomas by several others— has not been done to date. One might wonder why- except for the potential it would destroy the narrative- and there is a lot of money in iconoclastic pursuits (publishing and such). Scientifically done— this would definitively rule out any possibility of the paternity being attributed to of any of the other 7 potential paternity candidates who were present in the area at the time (able to have “done the deed” as it were, and maybe more than one of them is possible). This is stated in the opinions of the Jefferson Foundation scientists: The Y chromosome data do not prove that Thomas Jefferson himself was THE ancestor of Heming descendant #21. It comes down to who was Eston Heming’s father? Jefferson lineage connectees #5,12,6,13 and 14 were alive and old enough to have fathered Eston and they all have Y chromosomes identical by descent with Thomas Jefferson’s. Finally, how many other male-line relatives of Thomas Jefferson were known to be alive at that time?
Forensic clinical/criminology scientists, who are colleagues, agree and will tell you, the absence of the DNA Y study speaks volumes about the motivation of the story tellers, and that of their publishers monetary gain from publishing “questions”. Falls right into comparison with the current stories of “she said it so it must be true” crapola. And the stories have a great deal of destructive intent in their “spinning” from contemporary people with political agendas. But doesn’t it make a wonderful hook to gaff a brilliant Founding Father with behaviour he would never, by his own code, engage in? His other kin with identical Y chromosomes, not so much.
Thank you for considering. Clearly I don’t agree with your assertions, since they are only assertions.
I heard a news report on the radio this afternoon that the Facebook poster’s story is checking out. I don’t believe most of what I read there, but if true that would be great. I have relatives in Alabama and they continue to support Judge Moore. Glad I could be of help.
Did they happen to say what part of the posts were corroborated? It’s a big deal if that part about the civil case is true. Same for the prior accusations. I think that would kill this story and turn it on the ComPost in a flash.
There is also the fact that the children resembled TJ including the reddish hair.
I have no ox to be gored here but the evidence I have seen strongly indicates that the children were Jefferson’s and this has been around for centuries, it didn’t just pop up.
Lets do a Hillary on the 4 brave women, and publicly call them sluts who wished they’d been f**ked so they could have told sooner.
Now the money is so good they are speaking up simply to keep a horny conservative from winning again? ( Only leftists are allowed to be horny, not conservatives.)
The left is desperate. So are the RINOs in Washington who are calling for Moore to step down. And now plan to keep him from being seated if he wins ( which he likely will do.)
The femino-nazi brave (sic) women suffer from sexualitis, a newly discovered leftist mental condition similar to Trump derangement syndrome that makes them falsely remember that they had been f**ked by a conservative politician who looks like he is going to win.They are not brave, they are cowardly whores.The money must be good, real good.
Femino-nazi slut, sexual shake down artist prostitutes!
Real hookers would seem clean in their company, at least they do the deed they are paid for. Not these “4 brave women.”
And people take this seriously?
Surely the good people of Alabama will NOT!
And The GOPe Senate Swamp critters ? They need to represent the People or resign, instead of looking around to see who screwed who 40 years ago.
I only heard it reported once on the radio news while driving. They said an accuser has a history of making charges against three pastors. Hopefully someone is checking on this. Very sparse reporting.
The 3 other women allege they dated him, not that he was inappropriate (according to the rules at the time).
Many of “TJ’s” male relatives had red hair. Which buttresses, particularly, the male hair color pattern as a sex linked genomic trait. Speaking as a geneticist and forensic pathologist: Hair clips do not contain DNA at all. They are made of protein from dead cells that have lost their nuclei. They will never be used in DNA tests. Also, the number of generations that have passed since “TJ” died. DNA is inherited half from the mother and half from the father In any one generation one would expect to find half of the DNA in common between a father and son. When there is more than one generation separation, then the DNA in common is a smaller percentage. That is it gets harder to make any clear conclusion the farther the distances between generations— for ANY definitive conclusion.
Besides all this is the notion that Jefferson would ever have (unlike his quite well known randy slave abusing male extended kin— who clearly DID) slept with his wife’s half sister, aside from the fact that she was a slave. The later manumission was a fact of the enigmatic Thomas Jefferson’s true thoughts of the institution of slavery, and the restrictions of VA state law at the time.
Much as we are reduced contemporaneously with low rent media based “sex abuse” trial by “citoyenne Tribunals of public media” no proof needed (ironic, as Jefferson witnessed the Reign of Terror in France murdering innocents on a changing basis weekly, and politically), this highly energetic activity to self-righteously condemn a Founding Father genius is driven by a political agenda, and except for the uninformed, has failed.
To be clear— hair roots might have root protein that would reflect the XY or XX pattern (ie male or female) MCN1 chromosomal hair color genes. The provenance of any hair sample (said to be, for example as being “TJ’s” himself, as opposed to “anyone else, male of female”) would be of dubious value. Perhaps someone could or might have one of TJ’s male kin’s hair stored in a box (again, questionable provenance) to provide yet another potential sperm donor for Heming’s descendants. But again the generational distance would be equally or more inconclusive. In regards to the hair color of “said descendants” at this point therefore, it could be said that “A” jefferson male carrying the red hair color genes as a carrier (ie they did not to have red hair themselves)got to sally. And that is all that can be said. Quite maddening to the chattering classes.
I do not believe this was an abusive relationship but one based on affection. This is buttressed by the actions of TJ wrt the Hemmings. The family enjoyed privileges which ordinary slaves did not have. Some of this may have been due to the fact that Sally was family.
No doubt that Callender had a beef with him but he had previously broken (or been a conduit for) a major story on TJ’s enemy Alexander Hamilton’s affair with Maria Reynolds.
In my opinion this made sure that AH never became president and much of the damage was done through Aaron Burr, later Maria’s lawyer in her divorce from Reynolds. She was a classic “Honey Trap” set up by Burr and Jefferson.
AH would have been well-advised to have ignored the story (as Jefferson did with SH) rather than write a 68 page apologia.
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