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First details emerge of GOP's sweeping tax bill
The Hill ^ | 11/02/2017 | NAOMI JAGODA AND SCOTT WONG

Posted on 11/02/2017 7:21:40 AM PDT by GIdget2004

House Republicans will propose limiting the deductions for mortgage interest and state and local taxes in the tax bill they are releasing on Thursday, according to a summary of the legislation obtained by The Hill.

The bill, called the “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act,” largely follows the parameters that GOP leaders and the White House outlined in September. It would reduce the number of individual tax brackets, slash rates for businesses and eliminate a number of tax breaks.

In order to offset the costs of the legislation, Republicans are putting forward some proposals that are sure to be controversial.

The bill would keep the mortgage-interest deduction, but only for newly purchased homes up to $500,000. Homes bought in the past could keep the deduction regardless of price. The housing industry is sure to push back on that cap.

The legislation would also taxpayers to deduct their state and local property taxes, but only up to $10,000. It would not allow people to deduct state and local income or sales taxes.

Blue-state Republicans have fought to preserve that deduction, which is important to their constituents. It’s not clear how receptive they will be to the compromise.

“I’m still analyzing it, but right now, I’m strongly leaning no,” Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) said.

Several other controversial ideas that were floated to help pay for the bill, including limits on pre-tax contributions to 401(k) plans and including repeal of ObamaCare’s individual mandate, were apparently not included, according to the summary.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


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To: NohSpinZone

No, I think the $10,000 limit (per year) applies only to state & local real property tax (as of now).


401 posted on 11/02/2017 5:13:48 PM PDT by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY.)
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To: xzins
I’m not in a high tax state. Ohio is average

Per the tax foundation, 19 of 51. They include DC. As I've noted on this and other threads, among the higher tax states, like WI, MI, IA, MO that it would be convenient for Republicans to win. If we hadn't last election, and tax cuts were an issue just like health care replacement and a wall, we'd be discussing President Hillary's tax the rich proposal. Not going to check your math, but if enough of your Ohio neighbors share your conclusion, not good. The Dem line that the bill provides tax benefits for the rich, and even the "rich", that's true. Which is OK.

402 posted on 11/02/2017 5:22:03 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SkyPilot

>>> Further, by eliminating the deduction, there will be no incentive for localities and states to lower their tax burden on families. <<<<<

Whaaaaa??!

It gives every incentive to cut state and local taxes! Reelection will depend on it.


403 posted on 11/02/2017 5:22:31 PM PDT by Principled (OMG I'm so tired of all this winning...)
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To: SJackson

I’m not rich. My guess is a lot of Trump supporters who are donors in Ohio are in my boat. But I’ve got to wait for the real numbers. Some congressman on Varney said today he expects the senate to sweeten the pot. House could have played bad cop to the Senate’s good cop. We’re a month away from the conference committee


404 posted on 11/02/2017 5:37:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. L)
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To: Principled
>> Further, by eliminating the deduction, there will be no incentive for
localities and states to lower their tax burden on families. <<<<<

Whaaaaa??!

It gives every incentive to cut state and local taxes! Reelection will depend on it.

Even more so given most states carry federal itemized deductions into
state computations, increasing taxable income in this case.
405 posted on 11/02/2017 5:37:39 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: Principled

Seriously? States will feel so terrible for their overburdened subjects that they will rush through sales tax cuts? Instead of blaming the Feds and GOP for people falling into poverty? NOT A CHANCE.
I listened to Levin tonight, and a couple CPA callers proved that this proposal sucks. The GOP is stunningly out of touch.


406 posted on 11/02/2017 5:43:55 PM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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To: All

Came out of retirement to say — this tax plan is a disgrace! It’s a tax increase for the people of California, I don’t want to hear anyone say “tax cut” because that’s not what it is. It’s redistributing tax burden to California, New York, and some other high-tax states.

What is Trump thinking?!? He may have lost CA, NY, etc. but he still has millions of supporters in those states. If this actually passes then CA might actually vote for succession.


407 posted on 11/02/2017 5:50:37 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: Principled

Grow up.


408 posted on 11/02/2017 5:52:10 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: xzins
You're right to wait before worrying about your personal situation. IMO, this is dead on arrival in the Senate.

Like healthcare, if this is the best the GOP and Trump can do after 8 years, for the GOP not Trump, of criticism, that's sad. Good for the GOP the opposition party is more inept than they are.

409 posted on 11/02/2017 6:06:19 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: xzins

probably doing the math wrong...

https://waysandmeansforms.house.gov/uploadedfiles/bill_text.pdf


410 posted on 11/02/2017 6:44:55 PM PDT by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: CaliGangsta
It’s redistributing tax burden to California, New York, and some other high-tax states.

NO! Those states have been burdening the others for WAY TOO LONG! They need to pay their fair share like others!

Succession? Wouldn't that be nice.
411 posted on 11/02/2017 6:51:12 PM PDT by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea
Unless you sell your home ( which means that buying a new one will cost you more than it otherwise would )you get nothing. Also, if your house gets revauled, because real estate prices go up...then surprise, surprise...YOU will wind up paying MORE/HIGHER property taxes.

And IF you sell your home, you will have to pay the "new", still in place ObamaCare tax on the sale of said house, plus the same tax on the purchase of a new abode. Throw in moving costs, etc. and you come out on the dirty end of that deal. POOF goes your "dream" of buying a boat and early retirement.

Oh yes and then there is your imagined sangfroid re blue states going under. If/when that happens...there goes the economy and say hello to a massive, nationwide RECESSION at the least.

412 posted on 11/02/2017 7:01:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Scotswife
True and NOT "nice", nor a "tax cut" at all for you and many others.

This POS proposal was NOT thought out well at all and gives far too much ammo, to use against us and the GOP and Trump, to the Dems.

413 posted on 11/02/2017 7:04:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Max Tactical
Using my gross against the brackets comes in at a wash or slight federal tax cut compared to last year. If deductions for IRA, HSA and local property taxes are included, it gets better. I won't be writing a check to the feds given that my wife and I both have w4 set at Single/0.
414 posted on 11/02/2017 7:07:34 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: RKBA Democrat
And YOU might want to look into why you are a DOG IN THE MANGER.

As with the getting rid of the hated, unConstitutional, lousy ObamaCare...Trump cared about only one thing...CHANGE ( okay, the lowering of corporate taxes too, in this instance ) and 1)doesn't know enough to ride roughshode over Ryan and the House.

Forget "ruining" my day...this POS tax INCREASE has been out there, in bits and pieces, for a long time, so this has concerned me for a long time.

Today, Trump said that he was giving us a "great big beautiful Christmas present of a TAX CUT...which is a damned LIE!

OTOH...this is just the beginning and after this goes through its usual steps, it won't look anything at all like it does right now. And hopefully, your ox will be gored, when all is said and done. ;^)

415 posted on 11/02/2017 7:14:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EnquiringMind
Spoken like a true SOCIALIST.

And FWIW...I'll have less money, than you are drooling over and wish to expropriate, after having to pay a damned tax INCREASE; should this crap sandwich not be changed.

416 posted on 11/02/2017 7:16:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Brown Deer

Wrong, CA pays more than its proportional share. I didn’t know tax and spend libs like you posted on FR these days?


417 posted on 11/02/2017 7:20:39 PM PDT by CaliGangsta
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To: freepertoo
Trump is obsessed with the lowering of the tax on corporations; otherwise, he's not paying attention to his "CHRISTMAS PRESENT" for the "middle classes".

He sure isn't cognizant of why the Reagan TAX CUT worked/was a for REAL "tax CUT" and the right way to do things!

Of course this is all going to change; the Senate will see to that and then the House will muck it up even more.

More than the mess that this tax thing is,what upsets me more, are the damned dogs in the mangers/SOCIALISTS/just gimme mine and to hell with YOUers, here!

Me? I want EVERYONE to get a tax cut; which IS what was promised !

418 posted on 11/02/2017 7:24:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: GIdget2004
Horrible tax bill, just another deceptive shell game, they give you this but you pay for that.

do the republican party politicians even have a clue how much they are hated by their (potential) voters ?

Congress can go to hell and dont pass go

419 posted on 11/02/2017 7:41:10 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: CaliGangsta
Wrong, CA pays more than its proportional share.

FACTS:

California residents paid an average $10,408 to the IRS in Fiscal Year 2015, compared to the national average of $10,234. In 2012, it was $7,691 vs. $7,919. In 2011, it was $7,463 vs. $7,632.

In 2015, the median household income in California was $64,500 compared to only $55,775 for the United States.

So, they are paying the about same in federal taxes as the rest of the country, but are much more income than others!

So, that makes you a liar.

I didn’t know tax and spend libs like you posted on FR these days?

and that comment PROVES that YOU are a MORON!
420 posted on 11/02/2017 7:42:29 PM PDT by Brown Deer (America First!)
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