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1 posted on 10/23/2017 10:58:53 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Back to “JEEP” carriers.


2 posted on 10/23/2017 11:01:23 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Ignorance is reparable, stupid is forever)
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I would think that submarines that can launch sophisticated and armed drones (in addition to missiles) could fulfill some functions of a carrier.


3 posted on 10/23/2017 11:02:21 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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Obviously the new Ford class will never be put in harms way. It’s too valuable.


4 posted on 10/23/2017 11:03:12 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth)
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Obviously the new Ford class will never be put in harms way. It’s too valuable.


5 posted on 10/23/2017 11:03:18 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Large” serves the purpose of intimidation. Hidden power can be more dangerous to wield since someone is more likely to call your bluff.


6 posted on 10/23/2017 11:06:54 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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8 posted on 10/23/2017 11:11:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Example of yet another “study” whose options all reinforce the predetermined decision.


9 posted on 10/23/2017 11:11:49 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How about a cruise drone?


10 posted on 10/23/2017 11:12:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. L)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

fewer ships

less capable ships

Hey China, you’re welcome. Let us know what else we can do to neuter ourselves on your behalf.


11 posted on 10/23/2017 11:15:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (John McBane is the turd in the national punch-bowl.)
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14 posted on 10/23/2017 11:19:28 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The planners are fighting two wars ago.

With the advent of hypersonic Surface to surface or air launched to surfact missiles we present some pretty large targets.

We should be focused on smaller, more nimble craft that can project power through the use of drones. This way the craft need less space and they can be controlled with personnel on other ships or the other part of the world.

The days of Midway and Leyte gulf are behind us.


15 posted on 10/23/2017 11:19:38 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Burn. It. Down.)
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The first thing to do is to scotch the flipping Rand Corporation.


16 posted on 10/23/2017 11:20:06 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Army Air Corps; MeganC
I actually think that would be a fabulous idea.

I was just thinking about that the other day reading about the Gerald Ford Class and how hard the deployments are on the carrier battle groups.

We have no "in-between" carriers that we can just stick somewhere that doesn't require or risk a 100,000 Ultra Ship.

We need say four or five very modestly sized ships, very modestly crewed and a modest expense.

It would help so much with the rotation on the ships as well as the crew.

17 posted on 10/23/2017 11:20:54 AM PDT by KC_Lion (If you want on First Lady Melania's, Ivanka Trump's or Sarah Palin's Ping Lists, just let me know.)
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I see that the CVX is only capable of launching One Aircraft at a time.The problem comes when you have planes low on fuel and needing fuel.How will they have sufficient refueling aircraft in the air or at ready five.

This CVX 8 sounds like a disaster in the making.


20 posted on 10/23/2017 11:29:21 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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With the prospect of China’s naval expansion and possible remote island hopping conflicts.
Is there a future for Anphib/sea plane tenders ? Close support fighters and sea plane cargo/troop carrying transports ?


22 posted on 10/23/2017 11:50:58 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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land-based drones will be the future of everything, and the key will be survivability, and securing internet and command-and-control operational links after something like an EMP.


24 posted on 10/23/2017 11:59:38 AM PDT by PGR88
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How about another alternative:

Top deck: Recover aircraft ONLY.
Next Deck (Current Hanger Deck): Launch aircraft ONLY - through aperture in bow, or off-angle.
Next Deck: Hanger Deck.

result: ship is shorter, and one deck taller.


29 posted on 10/23/2017 12:30:12 PM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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The CVN-LX looks promising.


31 posted on 10/23/2017 12:37:07 PM PDT by Crucial
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Not this light carrier stuff again...
Carriers are there to launch and recover aircraft, enough to matter and often enough to get the job done. To do this requires:
- a flight deck w/cats & arresting gear... large footprint
- ordinance for planes ...volume and tonnage
- fuel for planes ...volume and tonnage
- storage for planes ... volume
- parts and repairs for planes ... volume
- propulsion to operate aircraft and get where needed
fossil fueled: cheaper, but fuel bunkers and air shafts(both ways) eat volume and effect arrangement.
nuclear: expensive, but opens more volume for purposes above, and does not interfere with other arrangements.

Obviously a simplified argument, and EMALS seems to still be evolving issue, but the best modern carrier is a big nuclear volume box that carries all that is needed to perform the spectrum of missions that may be assigned.


36 posted on 10/23/2017 12:51:08 PM PDT by Hiryusan
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Build a Pykrete carrier. It can be bigger and nothing can sink it.


41 posted on 10/23/2017 2:14:13 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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