Catalan referendum: Region's independence 'in matter of days'

BBC News ^ | 10/4/2017 | BBC

[Spiridon]

Catalonia will declare independence from Spain in a matter of days, the leader of the autonomous region has told the BBC.

In his first interview since a disputed vote on Sunday, Carles Puigdemont said his government would "act at the end of this week or the beginning of next".

Meanwhile, Spain's King Felipe VI said the vote's organizers had put themselves "outside the law".

He said the situation in Spain was "extremely serious", calling for unity.

Tensions between Spain and the north-eastern Catalonia region continue to mount, days after the vote was marred by violence involving national police.

The Spanish High Court said it has begun an investigation into key Catalan figures on Wednesday on suspicion of sedition-inciting rebellion against the state-including the head of Catalonia's regional police.....

[Spiridon]

Looks like this Catalonia thing continues to notch up.

[jdsteel]

Despite the globalists dreams of no more countries seems like we humans prefer self rule from smaller countries of our own. Next up....Kurdistan!

[Spiridon]

There’s a lot of friction about the Kurds but I hope President Trump stays neutral while the folks in the region sort it out.

Israel wants the Kurds to buffer Iranian ambitions and as a sort of ‘consolation prize’ for Iran winning in the Syrian Civil War with Russia helping to prop up Assad.

Israel was against Assad because he was aligned with the Iranians-Hezbollah.

[apillar]

So will Spain just wave goodbye and let them go peacefully or will them send in their version of General Sherman to slash and burn his way to the sea and crush those rascally rebels once and for all? Taking bets....

[DiogenesLamp]

Catalan referendum: Region's independence 'in matter of days'

I'm sure we will be hearing from Spain noises about "preserving the Union" shortly.

[AU72]

Spain would go bankrupt faster without Catalonia.

[dfwgator]

The Saudis are just itching to buy up Spain and reclaim it for the Caliphate.

[Wuli]

The Spanish national government may fail by succeeding.

It has to be careful that it’s actions do not drive the move to independence in Catalonia to represent 100% of the populace due to actions seen as too extreme in how the national government tries to stop it.

What is not needed is another movement in Spain that wants to take up arms for its cause. It took years but they got the Basque region to move away from that, but if they are not careful they could create a spirit toward that in Catalonia.

[elcid1970]

If Madrid is really determined to put down a Catalonian rebellion, they’ll just send in the hated Guardia Civil with their bicorn hats.

Guardia Civil makes the Italian Carabinieri look like boy scouts. Franco used them to hold Spain together after 1939.

[Dixie Yooper]

Since last November, Spain’s stock market has grown more than most nations markets have. This week not so good while the rest of the European nations keep moving upward. If this can pass peacefully, Spain’s market could get back on track, Bigley.

[Bringbackthedraft]

Hated? You must be kidding. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aGRCeSmT-yk/VH-iSOUpQkI/AAAAAAAAA2U/6OUJiUbVbN0/s1600/guardia-civil.jpg

[QuisSeparabit]

jdsteel: Despite the globalists dreams of no more countries seems like we humans prefer self rule from smaller countries of our own. Next up....Kurdistan!
Surely you mean, ‘Next up… CSA’? How many nations do you think the US should be divided into?

Maybe these countries for starters?

Although, if believing it sensible to create new nations with populations of only 7½m people, with that yardstick, I suppose you might prefer ultimately splitting the US into as many as 43 nations?

Incidentally, between voting against, spoiling ballots and abstaining in accordance with Spanish law, 62.17% of Catalans appear to be loyal to Spain.

¡Cataluña es España y siempre lo sera!

[elcid1970]

Holy frijoles!! Muchachas muy bonitas! Viva la Guardia Civil!

;^)

[John O]

I’d be satisfied with the US being restored to it’s Constitutional basis of being 50 sovereign States united in purpose.

Get the fed gov back within it’s legal authority and we’ll be fine.

[ek_hornbeck]

Despite the globalists dreams of no more countries seems like we humans prefer self rule from smaller countries of our own.

Unfortunately, most of the leaders pushing for Catalonian independence are not really committed to self-rule. They want a Catalonia independent of Spain but still in the EU. It takes a special kind of multiple personality disorder (or doublethink) to demand independence from Spain while surrendering sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. You see the same insanity with advocates of Scottish independence: anti-London, but pro-Brussels and pro mass immigration. So much for their "nationalism."

[ek_hornbeck]

So will Spain just wave goodbye and let them go peacefully or will them send in their version of General Sherman to slash and burn his way to the sea and crush those rascally rebels once and for all? Taking bets....

Francisco Franco opted for the Sherman approach whenever Basques and Catalans made noises about independence. The most today's Spanish government would do is simply refuse to recognize them and try to deny Catalonia membership in the EU (which for some stupid reason is a very high priority for alleged advocates of independence - they're swapping Madrid for Brussels).

[QuisSeparabit]

Absolutely, John O! Britain too needs to return to old values, where government saw to defence, foreign policy, legal infrastructure and little else, other powers being devolved to the burghs (hospitals, policing, welfare and municipal administration), and citizens left alone outside of that.

We need to reapply old lessons, not split ourselves up into ever smaller and weaker units. E.g. Czechoslovakia—what good did carving them out of the Austro-Hungarian Empire do? They got to enjoy 20 years as an independent nation desperately pursuing alliances with other countries before being occupied by the Nazis for 6 years then run by the Reds for 44; 2 years after communism’s collapse, the Czechs—as if they weren’t weak enough—decided to split further. And now they’re two small voices in the EU. They’d have been better off staying part of Austria-Hungary. Author Lewis Grassic Gibbon (1901–35) put it admirably as well as colourfully:

About Small Nations. What a curse to the earth are small nations! Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland, San Salvador, Luxembourg, Manchukuo, the Irish Free State. There are many more: there is an appalling number of disgusting little stretches of the globe claimed, occupied and infected by groupings of babbling little morons—babbling militant on the subjects (unendingly) of their exclusive cultures, their exclusive languages, their national souls, their national genius, their unique achievements in throat-cutting in this and that abominable little squabble in the past. Mangy little curs a-yap above their minute hoardings of shrivelled bones, they cease from their yelpings at the passers-by only in such intervals as they devote to their civil-war flea-hunts. Of all the accursed progeny of World War, surely the worst was this dwarf mongrel-litter. The South Irish of the middle class were never pleasant persons: since they obtained their Free State the belch of their pride in the accents of their unhygienic patois has given the unfortunate Irish Channel the seeming of a cess-pool. Having blamed their misfortunes on England for centuries, they achieved independence and promptly found themselves incapable of securing that independence by the obvious and necessary operation—social revolution. Instead: revival of Gaelic, bewildering an unhappy world with uncouth spellings and titles and postage-stamps; revival of the blood feud; revival of the decayed literary cultus which (like most products of the Kelt) was an abomination even while actually alive and but poor manure when it died… Or Finland—Communist-murdering Finland—ruled by German Generals and the Central European Foundries, boasting of its ragged population the return of its ancient literary culture like a senile octogenarian boasting the coming of second childhood…

(Gibbon, Lewis Grassic. “Glasgow.” (1934) Smeddum: A Lewis Grassic Gibbon Anthology, edited by Valentina Bold, Canongate, 2001, pp. 97–109)

[Charles Martel]

Yeah, I don’t think they could put down my uprising. ;-D

[x]

Despite the globalists dreams of no more countries seems like we humans prefer self rule from smaller countries of our own.

Smaller countries may find it harder to stand up to international forces and institutions.

Scotland or Ulster or Wales, say, would find it harder to stand up to the EU or UN than the United Kingdom would.

Catalonia wants to be free from Spain, but I don't think they're great challengers or opponents of the EU.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Several times a day, apparently.