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Judge Rejects Couple's Argument for Refusing Gay Customers
KSTP.com ^ | 9/21/17 | AP

Posted on 09/21/2017 5:24:04 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

A federal judge has dismissed a Minnesota couple's lawsuit challenging a state law for the right to refuse to shoot wedding videos for same-sex couples.

Chief U.S. District Judge John Tunheim in Minneapolis dismissed Carl and Angel Larsen's case Wednesday.

The St. Cloud couple, who own a videography company, Telescope Media Group, sued over a provision of the Minnesota Human Rights Act that bars discrimination by businesses.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The absence of the right to refuse to work for anyone is slavery.


41 posted on 09/21/2017 10:19:45 PM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: CatOwner

We can start any old time.


42 posted on 09/22/2017 1:58:59 AM PDT by jim35 (The Tree of Liberty is coming in to bloom again.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
None of them can refuse either, right?

Yes they can. Bigots are not a protected class.

43 posted on 09/22/2017 3:59:53 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Newbomb Turk

Sorry we have a previous engagement that day.


44 posted on 09/22/2017 4:03:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: lepton

Exactly. Would they force Normal Rockwell to a paint their ideas and not his own?


45 posted on 09/22/2017 4:10:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The price of the photos can’t be regulated by a judge.

Charge a lot including an AIDS surcharge.


46 posted on 09/22/2017 4:12:54 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: xzins
Exactly. Would they force Normal Rockwell to a paint their ideas and not his own?

They could if they commissioned him to do it. If Rockwell historically had not accepted commissions for his work then he could refuse with no consequences.

47 posted on 09/22/2017 5:12:54 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
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48 posted on 09/22/2017 5:23:12 AM PDT by bushpilot2
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
...and they sought to post a notice on their company's website that they won't shoot same-sex weddings, based on their religious beliefs, according to the motion to dismiss.

Really that's the solution to all this, and it should be made legal. Forget discrimination laws and what have you. If a business does not want to cater to a specific segment or segments of society then let them clearly state as such and then let the market sort it out. Telescope Media doesn't want gay clients for religious reasons. They want to clearly state that on their website. Why not legally allow them to do so? People put off by their position can and will go elsewhere. People who support their position will bring their business to them. And the market will decide. Allow anyone to do it for religious reasons or any other reason with the only requirement being that they clearly post their preferences in their store or on their website.

49 posted on 09/22/2017 5:23:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

So a male Muslim cabbie shouldn’t have to pick up a short-skirted female passenger, or someone with a service dog if the cabbie doesn’t want to?


50 posted on 09/22/2017 5:26:06 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Accepting commissions still implies artist interest in the subject. And “artist interest” is not discriminatory. It is simply artistic license. I’m not interested in horse scenes, seascapes, social issues, or mountains. I’m more into cike cans and barber chairs right now.


51 posted on 09/22/2017 5:30:10 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: mewzilla
So a male Muslim cabbie shouldn’t have to pick up a short-skirted female passenger, or someone with a service dog if the cabbie doesn’t want to?

Why not? Telescope Media doesn't want to do gay weddings for religious reasons. The cabbie doesn't want to deal with certain clients for religious reasons. Let both of them run their businesses their way. Just clearly advertise their position ahead of time. People who disagree with them will avoid them. People who agree with them will patronize them. No confusion. No embarrassment. And as I said, it doesn't even have to be for religious reasons. Any reason at all.

52 posted on 09/22/2017 5:31:00 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: xzins
Accepting commissions still implies artist interest in the subject.

And accepting the commission means that you are willing to do what your client hires you to do. I can't accept a job and then say I'm not willing to work on Wednesday if the job requires I do so. If a company is hired to video a gay wedding then they can't suddenly refuse when they show up for the job. They should be allowed to turn down the business to begin with by clearly stating who they will not provide services to. Which is what this video company wants to do.

53 posted on 09/22/2017 5:35:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

They don’t have to turn it down because it’s gay. They can turn it down because they’re not interested. Pure and simply not interested


54 posted on 09/22/2017 5:45:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: xzins
They don’t have to turn it down because it’s gay. They can turn it down because they’re not interested. Pure and simply not interested,

Sure, people can lie about their reasons for not wanting to do business with someone. It's an easy way out. But this company has chosen to pursue a more ethical path and make clear whom they wish to do business with and whom they do not. And the government is punishing them for that. Rather than encouraging dishonesty and punishing honesty I would prefer the government did the opposite.

55 posted on 09/22/2017 5:52:20 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

It’s not a lie to say you are artistically not interested if you are not interested in that aspect of art.


56 posted on 09/22/2017 6:04:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: xzins
It’s not a lie to say you are artistically not interested if you are not interested in that aspect of art.

Since that is not their reason for turning down the business then yes, saying you're doing it for artistic reasons would be a lie. And since their reason for turning it down is it violates their religious beliefs then I can understand why they would not want to resort to falsehoods. And the government should not encourage them to do so.

57 posted on 09/22/2017 6:15:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Just do the job wearing a T-shirt the whole time that says “Sin is Sin”.


58 posted on 09/22/2017 6:18:58 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: DoodleDawg

If I have religious reasons for not being artistically interested in that commission, then it is not a lie to say I am not artistically interested.

No different than saying I’m not interested in going to a party. It might be because I can’t stand the host, but being up front about that does not somehow make me interested.


59 posted on 09/22/2017 6:20:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I defy anyone to show us where it was the intent of the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment to provide equal rights for homosexual behavior. It’s passage through the Congress was quite extensive.


60 posted on 09/22/2017 6:23:07 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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