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Is Amazon's Shipping Policy A Form Of Consumer Fraud?
Forbes ^ | Laurence Kotlikoff | May 23, 2016

Posted on 09/16/2017 7:53:01 PM PDT by grundle

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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We have the opposite. Around here UPS is as reliable as the sunrise and the worst in On-track flowed by the USPS and Fed-ex brings up the rear. I am talking hundreds of packages both at business and home.


61 posted on 09/17/2017 1:47:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: Wizdum

The two worst delivery methods Amazon is using is USPS and Laser Ship. I have had very little problems with UPS or Fed-X but USPS is getting worse and worse for delivery and Laser Ship is basically your neighbor next door delivering your items. Good luck with that.


62 posted on 09/17/2017 1:56:21 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The problem is with UPS..

I was wondering if that was a local situation or if it's more widespread. I would prefer to never have UPS delivering things. It seems that whenever a package is late or tracking is not current, it's UPS that's in charge.

Another situation that's not terrific sometimes happens with FedEx. Sometimes they transfer packages to the postal service for home delivery. The problem with that is it might sit in a FedEx store for a day or two, just two miles from here, and there's no way for me to get it at that point.

63 posted on 09/17/2017 2:25:21 AM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: Jamestown1630
In some places once food is prepared, it cannot be paid for with EBT and other gov benefits. That cooked lobster might count as prepared food.

If that's the case, it's insane. and not just with lobster. A lot of truly needy food subsidized people have long bus and/or walking time to get to the store. It would make more sense to bring home meats and seafood that are not raw.

64 posted on 09/17/2017 2:34:08 AM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“The problem is with UPS, whom they are paying to get the delivery made”

UPS delivers the heavy stuff. The lighter packages are handed off to USPS to effect local deliveries.

BTW, you are still paying for shipping. Even if you think it’s free. Ain’t nothing free in this world, ‘cept Jesus.


65 posted on 09/17/2017 3:23:47 AM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce aside, every culture has its pancakes, , just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: Clutch Martin

“BTW, you are still paying for shipping. Even if you think it’s free.”

Absolutely true. Still, the psychology of seeing that “free shipping” on the screen is effective.


66 posted on 09/17/2017 3:40:51 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: vette6387

My sister never had a problem with deliveries from Amazon — until she signed up for Prime. Were so many different issues I can’t name them all. It was a mess. Not sure if it ever improved, but for a couple months it was a nightmare.


67 posted on 09/17/2017 3:45:57 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: grundle

You prepaid your shipping already through tax subsidy. So as a customer, shut up & go away.

Fed Ex air ships your package. Amazon does not own the final leg, which is union UPS owned, or Govt USPS owned, so as a paying customer,

SHUT UP AND GO AWAY. Lmao.


68 posted on 09/17/2017 3:47:52 AM PDT by TheNext (Obamacare is KILLING GRANDMA!)
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To: grundle

If a shipper bankrupts, Amazons does not inform you, they collect people’s money, so as a customer,

SHUT UP AND GO AWAY!


69 posted on 09/17/2017 3:51:24 AM PDT by TheNext (Obamacare is KILLING GRANDMA!)
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To: wgmalabama

Build a brick, wide container that holds packages, replace your mailbox from letter to a package receiver, and like package mailboxes, you can receive packages at the end of your driveway.

Let me know if you find a package mailbox receiver, I haven’t found one yet.


70 posted on 09/17/2017 3:59:55 AM PDT by TheNext (Obamacare is KILLING GRANDMA!)
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To: Wizdum

I know of a number of small businesses that have either stopped dealing with USPS or are warning customers that the dates USPS provides are often BS. FWIW, I’ve never had an issue with FedEx, and UPS only when the USPS was involved.


71 posted on 09/17/2017 4:09:37 AM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: grundle

Here’s a thought - don’t put off the important stuff and then expect others to cover for you.....


72 posted on 09/17/2017 4:12:08 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: grundle

marked4later


73 posted on 09/17/2017 4:59:00 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: trebb
"Here’s a thought - don’t put off the important stuff and then expect others to cover for you....."

You're an idiot, or at least your statement is idiotic!

Expecting a service paid for or expressed for as a part of a purchase is NOT expecting 'others to cover for you'! It's just as it is - a promise, a commitment, an expectation.

74 posted on 09/17/2017 5:08:09 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Assert the penalty clause.

Failure to deliver within the promised limits triggers a failure to delivery penalty of $25. Then send Amazon an invoice

When they don’t pay, sue in small claims court for the $25 plus $100 for legal fees


75 posted on 09/17/2017 5:09:12 AM PDT by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: bert

Customer service depends on we’re the call center is..if it is in the south they tend to be much better....you may not get what you want but there friendly....

I grew up in NYS..moved to Colorado and now live in Florida...

Never realized how rude and obnoxious people from the NE can be..

till I moved here..


76 posted on 09/17/2017 5:17:04 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: pinkandgreenmom
They are handed off to USPS, which couldn’t care less about when they deliver.

USPS had better wake up to their delivery problem. Unionized letter carriers are not helping their deflated brand.

Watching the tracking, I can tell that UPS is dropping most of those transfer packages off at the local post office long before the carrier leaves on the route.

But for reasons, I understand far too well, those packages are not committed for delivery that day, but rather are held at the office for the next day.

Now my recent story that really sets me off.

I ordered an item via Amazon Prime. When those items come an a weekend they get delivered via a USPS employee. USPS entered into a contract with Amazon to make these weekend, Sunday and Holiday deliveries when UPS could not offer the service.

During the week, both UPS and USPS delivery bring the packages to the doorstep. However the gal that USPS found to work here on Sundays often leaves the package on the ground below the mailbox, or at the garage door. both locations unprotected from the weather.

I also use the Amazon locker service which I love. Now I can have surprise items delivered without scrutiny (What did you get or worse I opened the package thinking it was for me)

Now the story - I ordered an item that Amazon promised to delivery by Labor Day. I elected delivery to a nearby Amazon Locker. I tracked the item to my community, noting that it was scheduled for delivery that day, Labor Day. No notice of delivery

The next morning, Amazon informed me that the package could not be delivered as the business was closed. Okay, I thought, it might have happened. So I swung by the 24/7 convenience store/gas station where Amazon set up their locker. I found the store manager on duty and asked if they had taken the prior day off and he said, No, they had been open. Then I asked what would you say to a USPS carrier that told Amazon they could not deliver yesterday as the business was closed.

The Manager replied :They would be lying!"

I wanted the item by the day promised. The delivery person dropped that ball. Amazon promised a full refund on locker items not picked up, so Amazon got it back.

Now I think I know what really happened. The holiday delivery person was not properly equipped to deliver to the locker (training, missing keys, code or equipment) so they blamed it on a closed business.

Amazon - USPS was in default of your contract. Hold them accountable.

77 posted on 09/17/2017 5:20:59 AM PDT by Dustoff45 (Pass the spicy catsup. We've got Trump now.)
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To: George from New England

Amazon is a horizontally integrated tax avoidance scheme


78 posted on 09/17/2017 5:23:48 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Anitfa = Anti-F.A. = Anti-First Amendment)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Weirdly, about a month later, I got one of the packages anyway

that sounds like a package delivered to a wrong address, and that person brought it to you and dropped it off. I would call it extra credit.

79 posted on 09/17/2017 5:26:18 AM PDT by Dustoff45 (Pass the spicy catsup. We've got Trump now.)
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To: grundle

Amazon does have some of the nicest customer service people. They are easy to contact and will call you immediately if you make a complaint. They have always settled fairly.

I have noticed that the USPS screws up deliveries.Any time I have had a problem, they are the culprit.

I am not certain, but, I believe the only items that are guaranteed 2 day prime delivery are items fulfilled by Amazon.


80 posted on 09/17/2017 5:28:10 AM PDT by dforest
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