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The idea that climate scientists are in it for the cash has deep ideological roots
The Guardian ^ | September 15, 2017 | by Graham Readfearn

Posted on 09/15/2017 9:45:29 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: InterceptPoint

In addition, they play other tricks, such as putting their instruments near heat sources, or taking the first reading in late October and the second in early September.

Let’s say I take a reading in January, and then one in July. Wow, the temperature increased more than 50 degrees in just six months! We’re burning up! We’re going to die! Panic! Chaos! We’re doomed!


21 posted on 09/15/2017 10:12:07 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Only their self-aggrandizement matters.)
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It’s laziness.

All scientists are spoon-fed the same falsified WX data.
All scientists are spoon-fed the same faulty software models to execute that falsified WX data on.

“Oh lookie! The Earth is warming! The sky is falling, chicken little!”


22 posted on 09/15/2017 10:15:32 AM PDT by USCG SimTech
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
... you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals.

Wouldn't these things need to happen before they could be ignored?

23 posted on 09/15/2017 10:18:49 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

At the end of this silly article, The Guardian whines that it needs donations from its readers to stay afloat. To gain more readers of their leftist drivel, they should pay the readers. After all, that’s how Leftists in America succeed with many of their schemes.


24 posted on 09/15/2017 10:20:34 AM PDT by txrefugee (.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
If somebody gives you $500,000 to research global warming you had better By God find them some global warming. Otherwise they’ll never give you another $500,000 as long as you live.

Exactly! The researchers want (lots of) other people's money and the Democrats want control over your life.

25 posted on 09/15/2017 10:23:59 AM PDT by libertylover (Inhabitants of Earth with any freedom probably have the USA to thank.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They already had Fopper Head and Timber Rattlers.


26 posted on 09/15/2017 10:31:15 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

InABunkerUnderSF wrote: “If somebody gives you $500,000 to research global warming you had better By God find them some global warming. Otherwise they’ll never give you another $500,000 as long as you live.”

A friend taught report writing to employees of the CDC in Atlanta in the 80’s at the height of the AIDS scare. He reported that almost all were doing AIDS research because they couldn’t get funding for any thing else. He also reported, that based upon conversations with the employees, they threat of AIDS was overblown so they could get more research dollars.


27 posted on 09/15/2017 10:38:40 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Here's a link to a message from Dr. Duane Thresher and Dr. Claudia Kubatzki, from last week regarding payments to climate alchemists . . .

Bridenstine, Climate Scientists Are Not Noble, Stop Paying Them

28 posted on 09/15/2017 10:41:11 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Last time I checked, the devastation of Hurricane Harvey was as bad as the last time a hurricane sat atop the city of Houston and dumped water into the Bayou City!

And the last time we had a four year drought in Texas, it followed a multi-year drought BEFORE this one!

And Greenland used to be covered in ICE!

But, remember that all of the stuff that happens today is because of Global Warming from the last 100 years! LOL!


29 posted on 09/15/2017 10:51:49 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: G Larry
--had the same sort of experience working for a large engineering company on stuff for that mobile last-ditch retaliatory missle launch stuff in the late '70's--

-"we know it's impossible but there is all that government money out there and we are going to get our share"---

30 posted on 09/15/2017 11:09:31 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: MileHi

Well, glaciers have been retreating since the peak of the last ice age. Warmists apparently want glaciers to stay static, which has not happened in the history of the earth.


31 posted on 09/15/2017 11:15:10 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

You’re right, but the article trivializes the set of incentives which force the academic discussion towards a single conclusion.

To begin with, if you are a fresh-faced graduate student who has decided to pursue a degree in “climate science” instead of say physics, chemistry, biology or engineering, you’ve probably already self-selected. You didn’t go into that field unless you have the belief that the earth is changing in a bad way and that something should be done about it.

But that is just the start of a set incentives and conditioning that make certain that 99% of climate scientists hold a single viewpoint.

It’s not just greed for one grant that lures academics to conform to a single set of believes. It’s really a binary choice. For people who achieve a tenured position at good university (or a similar position at a government lab or private foundation), life is very good. You have a salary that most people would consider uppper middle class, but the perks go way beyond that. You have the flexibility to largely set your own work hours. Three or four times per year, you travel to conferences at exotic locations. You live in a community that is full of upscale cafes and restuarants.

But you don’t get there without an extended period of vetting: 5 or 6 years of doctoral study, maybe two more years of postdoctoral apprenticeship, and 5-6 years as an untenured assistant professor. In order to be successful, you need sufficient quantities of publications and grants. Each publication and each grant is “peer-reveiwed” by a panel of established “experts” in the field and the chances of grant being awarded or a paper being published which challenges their views is very small. At each stage of hiring and promotion, the decision is made by a committee of more senior colleagues.

If, at any stage of this process, you are not hired or promoted, you don’t really get a second chance to be part of that academic community. An assistant professor who is not promoted may find a teaching position as a much smaller and less prestigious college, but they won’t usually get another chance at a position of similar stature.

If the topic is something technical with an objective right or wrong answer (for example, mass of a particular star), the process usually works, although their can still be petty disputes and recriminations from senior researchers who don’t want to see their work overturned. But if the topic has political implications and their is not a simple numerical answer, the process guarantees that a single orthodox viewpoint will prevail and go virtually unchallenged.


32 posted on 09/15/2017 11:25:36 AM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

David Keith, Harvard’s “geo-engineering” shill, owns a company that does geo-engineering.


33 posted on 09/15/2017 11:34:29 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Keepin' it analog.)
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To: Disambiguator

Most promoting ‘climate change’ or Global Warming”....are well invested, and have been, in this scam right from the get go so they stand to loose a lot of money as well. I suspect many politicians are as well, both US and International.


34 posted on 09/15/2017 11:36:40 AM PDT by caww
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The evidence of global warming is underwhelming. If the earth is a fraction of a degree warmer, so what?

The evidence of man-caused global warming is even scarcer. It’s just ridiculous to assert such a thing on such flimsy evidence.

Even if there was iron-clad proof of man-made global warming, it would not justify the actions that are being proposed.

If breathing is a threat to the environment, then it is the environment that must adapt to us. But if people feel really threatened by their unfounded fears, THOSE PEOPLE need to lead the way by example rather than trying to force their beliefs on everyone else, while hypocritically creating a giant carbon footprint for themselves.

The leftwing, busy-body, do-gooder tyrants just can’t sleep without thinking up some new scheme to try to force everyone under their grimy thumbs.


35 posted on 09/15/2017 1:10:57 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“... Suggesting that climate scientists are pushing a line about global warming because their salaries depend on it is a popular talking point that deniers love to throw around.”

For decades global warming alarmists have claimed that industry scientists are paid to deny global warming exists. The guardian apparently doesnt have a problem with those claims.

BTW, as a former scientist who worked in industry I can assure you that our research was performed at a much higher standard than the so called scientists working for the State of NY and the EPA. Those SOBs were the most biased, narrow minded, unreasonable and unethical people I have ever dealt with. Their minds were made up going into a project and the state had a desired outcome and they made sure their data supported that conclusion.


36 posted on 09/15/2017 1:11:27 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the War on White People, is to recognize it exists.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I’m not a scientist, nor do I play one on FreeRepublic, but I’m reminded of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill a few years ago when “scientists” were predicting massive amounts of oil washing on beaches from Florida to Texas. MSNBC was on oil watch, Anderson Cooper was verklempt, and the NYT was wetting itself to hammer oil companies and rant about man’s harm to nature caused by EVIL fossil fuel.

Nothing happened. It seems crude oil naturally seeps from the bottom of oceans and there are microbes who munch the chocolate-looking treat.

By definition, “climate scientists” have a bias. The entire genre was invented by Al Gore.


37 posted on 09/15/2017 1:24:48 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why no article positing that Climate Alarmists first rebuttal against anyone not signing on to their point of view is that they are funded by “Big Oil”?


38 posted on 09/15/2017 1:28:57 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

...and it needn’t even be willful and deliberate deceit - though there is evidence of some of that too - but merely a focus.

That said, most in the field espousing human-caused climate change don’t even have access to the models or inner-workings that they base their judgements on.


39 posted on 09/15/2017 1:36:03 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Correct and succinct


40 posted on 09/15/2017 1:54:21 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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