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Hurricane Irma Live Thread Part IV
NHC/NOAA ^ | 9/10/2017 | NHC/NOAA

Posted on 09/10/2017 2:02:02 PM PDT by NautiNurse

The entire Florida Peninsula has begun to experience Hurricane Irma following landfall at Marco Island. Thousands of Floridians who evacuated the Atlantic cost to Gulf Coast areas found their safe shelter under direct threat from Hurricane Irma as the forecast shifted W Friday night and Saturday. Prayers for all in the storm path.


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Hurricane Irma Live Thread I
Hurricane Irma Live Thread II
Hurricane Irma Live Thread III


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: braking; florida; hurricane; hurricaneirma; irma; livehurricaneirma
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To: FamiliarFace

Thank you for keeping us informed.

I’m so glad that it’s all working out for you all.

Obviously, your parents did a great job raising their kids.


1,201 posted on 09/13/2017 8:15:51 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: All

Good article by Joe Bastardi.

The Absurdity of It All
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/51257

Illustrations at the link.

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We have had two major hurricanes strike hurricane-prone areas back-to-back in the past two weeks. The record, by the way, is 23 hours in 1933. I am still waiting to see if we had verified Category 4 sustained winds with Irma, but no matter — Irma and Harvey were major hurricanes. These areas have been left alone, along with the rest of the nation, from the known extremes of hurricane frequencies for the past decade. That in itself should raise questions as to the idea that CO2 is causing storms to be stronger and more frequent. A three-week, well-forecasted period (as far as the hurricane spurt) should right off the bat have people calling into question the shrill voices we are hearing now.

Think about this. Suppose the system that ended up re-intensifying into Harvey had just kept moving; if we had a normal subtropical ridge like we did with Carla, a much bigger storm in 1961 for the Texas coast as far as the extent of wind and a lower pressure, instead of a pattern with a weaker ridge allowing the trough to catch and stop Harvey and produce the tremendous rain. It would have been a major hit, but missing Houston and Corpus Christi and ending up like a lot of the other storms that went into that area of Texas, known to people like me who study these but not to most people. Harvey’s infamy is because of circumstance — opposite the man-made global warming missive about stronger ridges.

Now consider this: What if the ridge over the Southeast was stronger and forced Harvey further south across the southern gulf? There would be no time for it to intensify, no time to come up, so it would have been like Franklin and Katia — rather normal western Gulf of Mexico hurricanes that are expected over most seasons. A stronger ridge may have suppressed Harvey! The weakness there is what helped him gain latitude. But my point is these occurrences are pattern-driven, not CO2-driven. Harvey was a disaster because of reasons that have nothing to do with any argument about climate change. One could even argue the stronger subtropical ridge could have saved the U.S. from Harvey, but, alas, there was no stronger ridge; there was a trough. So instead of moving west further south, it came up.

Now back to Irma. Let me play the opposite card, the more intense card. Irma’s path 50 miles south to the north coast of Cuba Saturday did two things: 1) it stopped the intensification process it was on, and 2) reversed it. If the storm was 50 miles further north it would have been over the water. We know the atmosphere and sea surface temperatures were ready for the deepening because it was starting to intensify before reaching Cuba, and after it came off Cuba it intensified again for about 12 hours. But that 12-18 hours over land not only took away the period it would have been intensifying, it made Irma re-intensify at a weaker point. The result was a big mitigating circumstance, one I was covering Friday afternoon and night on national outlets. Fifty miles likely saved $50 billion, and 100 miles $100 billion, because a track away from Cuba and 100 miles to the east would have been a worst-case scenario for southeast Florida.

So was it CO2 that “saved” Florida and forced the storm south into Cuba, or the totality of the forcing that has always been there and resulted in such things since we have started studying hurricanes? How can one tell if CO2 caused Irma to be a monster in one place but less of a beast in another? The fact is, some modeling caught the move into Cuba, and no model I know of has a CO2 input. The argument that the water is warmer because of climate change doesn’t hold water because we have had stronger storms in there (the 1935 Labor Day storm was 35 millibars lower and 50 m.p.h. higher than this), so preexisting knowns debunk the argument of the unknown.

It really is getting absurd. That these missives are being used at a time of tragedy to push an agenda with an “I told you so” attitude based on something that a) just looking at history showed was bound to come back and b) was warned about by our forecast team before this season using analogs of other seasons where CO2 had nothing to do with the impact makes it more absurd. And the same people who are trying to shut down debate are in reality the ones in this case crying fire in a crowded theater to create chaos.

So here is the rule of the AGW agenda-driven comments: If it hits someone, it’s climate change. If it misses or is way out at sea, it’s weather.

The truth: It’s all weather, and there is nothing new under the sun.

Joe Bastardi is chief forecaster at WeatherBELL Analytics, a meteorological consulting firm, and contributor to The Patriot Post on environmental issues.


1,202 posted on 09/13/2017 9:09:58 AM PDT by Qiviut (Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP)
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To: FamiliarFace

Great to hear they have generator power now! I’m definitely picking up some fans to add to my hurricane supplies!

My line power was restored at 1am today. The Tampa area is receiving fuel and supplies. Stores with power have reopened and shelves are being re-stocked. However some establishments (40%?) still remain closed for lack of power and the same for streetlights and traffic lights.

If your family travels west on Rt. 60 they should be able to find gas for the generator east of Tampa. Just look for a station with electricity. If the price sign says “0.00” it means they’re out of gas.


1,203 posted on 09/13/2017 10:11:40 AM PDT by Justa
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To: FamiliarFace

Hurray! Kudos to you and your family, and I hope you all have power back soon!


1,204 posted on 09/13/2017 10:28:38 AM PDT by American Quilter (When does the wall start going up?)
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To: Qiviut; dirtboy

Thank you.


1,205 posted on 09/13/2017 10:40:41 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: abb

Hurricane IRMA Imagery of Florida Keys
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/irma/index.html


1,206 posted on 09/13/2017 10:41:46 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: FamiliarFace

Praise God ((((Hugs))))


1,207 posted on 09/13/2017 11:41:15 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Justa

Thank you for the tip; I will pass that along!


1,208 posted on 09/13/2017 12:04:56 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: American Quilter

Thank you! I’m sure it will feel luxurious to have power back!


1,209 posted on 09/13/2017 12:06:32 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: fatima

Yes, praise God! It is a relief to have one problem dealt with. I know there is a lot left to do, and that a full cleanup will take time, but for now, things are much better! Hugs back to you!


1,210 posted on 09/13/2017 12:08:48 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: rodguy911; abb

Rodguy911,
Good summary at post 1195


1,211 posted on 09/13/2017 12:13:31 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

Looking at the NOAA pics, the big condos on Marco look OK. Beachfront houses on the Keys across from Big Pine took a hit. I suspect when the blank pics come in, Cudjoe and Big Pine will be heavily damaged.


1,212 posted on 09/13/2017 12:19:00 PM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: abb

I actually stayed on the south side of Cudjoe the first time I went to the Keys 21 years ago. I had a buddy that owned a nice place on Big Pine but he is since passed away.

Haven’t been there for fifteen years but it was sure full of good people.


1,213 posted on 09/13/2017 12:47:17 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: FamiliarFace

What a beautiful family you are.
Brought tears to my eyes.
May God keep blessing you all!


1,214 posted on 09/13/2017 12:48:48 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: fatima
Picture at link-Unreal Josh Caplan‏ @joshdcaplan 1h 1 hour ago More MIAMI HERALD: Two men caught stealing utility pole in Jacksonville amid #Irma

MIAMI HERALD: Two men caught stealing utility pole in Jacksonville amid #Irma aftermath pic.twitter.com/K2TdwBncd8— Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) September 13, 2017


1,215 posted on 09/13/2017 2:15:06 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NautiNurse; kristinn
How is it going? Last I heard, neither of you had electrical power. Hope that has changed and you are up and running!

FWIW, Eversource electrical utility crews (from here in Connecticut) were in the Melbourne, FL area, per what I heard earlier today on WTIC radio.

Crews from all over the US and Canada are in Florida, working hard to restore power. Hope you see trucks in your area...

1,216 posted on 09/13/2017 2:15:34 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Thank you, your kind words mean so much!


1,217 posted on 09/13/2017 2:31:30 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

Wow! How God works through us. Thank you for telling us your story. You have persisted for your family throughout. They’re fortunate to have you:)


1,218 posted on 09/13/2017 2:36:54 PM PDT by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: NautiNurse; kristinn; rodguy911; WorkerbeeCitizen

Just checking in from Orlando. How is it going? Who has power? Thinking of you FRiends..


1,219 posted on 09/13/2017 2:45:30 PM PDT by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: SE Mom

We are His hands and feet, aren’t we? I think I’m learning that lesson better from this experience. I feel fortunate to be a part of a really great team effort!


1,220 posted on 09/13/2017 2:51:40 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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