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To: davidb56; kabar; Mariner; Bull Snipe; Travis McGee

Heck. Everyone knows the military is not only far from perfect, it is frequently stupid and nearly always inefficient. But warfighting organizations by their very nature are not often efficient, they are by nature wasteful and destructive, because they are supposed to be destructive.

I often think back to stupidity, and I remember one night (Barcelona maybe) where men were lined up in the pouring rain on Fleet Landing, drunk and unruly because they were having trouble running the liberty launches due to high seas.

We went out, launches were filled I am certain far beyond any safe limit (packed in like sardines) as it poured rain and the boat pitched, yawed and rolled, going around and around waiting to approach the platform at the stern of the carrier.

Drunk men peeing over the side, barfing, yelling “F**K THE SHORE PATROL!” (As I saw my buddy strip off his Shore Patrol armband), fights breaking out, all that. They had some canvas coverings, and the water would pour off them in waterfalls onto anyone unlucky enough to be stuck in that opening between them.

When we finally approached the platform, it was crazy. They didn’t tie up to it, but simply maneuvered next to it, as a few drunk sailors leaped from the launch onto the platform. Bang, bang, bang, they would all jump in a short interval as people on the boat and the platform exhorted them onward.

Then, the sea would rocket the boat up where you were looking five feet down at the platform, then plummet down until you were looking five feet up at it, and would go through several iterations of this, until by chance, the platform and the launch were roughly on level with each other, and three or four drunk sailors would leap from the launch to the platform, bang, bang, bang, then the boat would heave up and down again, and the cycle would repeat itself.

It was wild. Drunk sailors were landing on the platform after jumping in a wide variety of stumbles as people would try to catch them.

I was gritting my teeth and sweating, I had to go so badly I was gripping my member with a death grip in my free hand to keep from going in my trousers.

The point is...it had to be one of the stupidest things, even in my drunken state, that I have ever seen. What possessed ANYONE in charge to try to get those launches out to the ship? They should have simply made us all wait there on Fleet Landing, in the rain, if need be.

It amazes me nobody fell in between the platform and launch to be crushed.

But that is the way things happen sometimes in the military. Sometimes people simply make bad decisions. People are tired. People are lazy. People cut corners.

And sometimes people get killed because of it. And that is, with nearly 100% certainty what is going on with this spate of mishaps involving our ships. It isn’t some asinine hacking.


103 posted on 08/23/2017 10:08:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: rlmorel

It’s certainly not the Navy I did my four years in. I haven’t seen it written but I wonder if the proliferation of cell phones and the hand-held devices that hook you right up to the internet and facebook/twitter etc. might be to blame for the seemingly lax state of readiness. Hard to mind your watch tasks when you are constantly posting and reading facebookers with their pictures of kids, pets, cars, morning dumps, half eaten sandwiches and whatever else they put on there. It was a big deal when we got mail call every second or fifth day out at sea. Of course guys would re-read every letter from mom/wife/girlfried and sometimes on watch. But there was no buzzing or ringing phone or lit-up screen to distract you. Halfway through my first WestPac, it was a big deal to be able to car my mom in Pennsylvania on a payphone along the seawall on the Wanchai side of Hong Kong. The conversation was clear as an Alexander Graham Bell and cost my parents $16.00 for the half hour. This was in ‘69. If I were CNO I’d be thinking long and hard about imposing severe restrictions on personal communications devices and internet access.


105 posted on 08/23/2017 10:20:41 AM PDT by VietVet876
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To: rlmorel

Sometimes people simply make bad decisions.

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After a string of prior accidents they still get nearly 20 people killed and commit actions worth nearly a billion dollars in damage putting the country at risk in an extremely unstable area of the world ? Because they are complacent and tired ?


113 posted on 08/23/2017 10:53:11 AM PDT by erlayman (yw)
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To: rlmorel; davidb56; kabar; Mariner; Bull Snipe; Travis McGee

“It isn’t some asinine hacking.”

I am often astounded how susceptible some folks on the right are to the “conspiracy”. Something nefarious, advanced and secret that is harming or threatening impending harm.

What I’m hearing from those folks on this forum is:
- The Nav systems and radars were hacked
- Ships control was hacked and steered into the path of harm
- The merchant was ALSO hacked as above
- The hundreds involved, and probably hundreds more who know, are keeping the hacks all a secret so as to avoid embarrassment.
- It was Norklandia, no, China. No, has to be the Russians.

I don’t know how many of them ever sailed with Uncle Sam, but it’s amusing to watch...I’ll give ‘em that. No matter how many times seasoned Shellbacks tell them “That’s not the way it works”...they cling to their conspiracy, probably due to some cognitive dissonance.

The fact that absolutely NONE of it makes any sense whatsoever appears beyond their comprehension.


119 posted on 08/23/2017 12:06:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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