Posted on 08/17/2017 5:49:51 PM PDT by Libloather
On Thursday, people unhappy with California’s place in the United States filed yet another proposed ballot measure that could lead to the Golden State striking out on its own.
This time, the goal is convening a U.S. constitutional convention to overhaul what proponents call a moldy national blueprint out of step with life in California.
The measure says a reworked Constitution should include a provision creating a “clear and reasonable path for states to achieve complete independence from the United States should any state so choose.” No state has become independent under the existing U.S. Constitution.
“The world has changed dramatically since 1787,” reads the preamble of the California Calls for a Constitutional Convention, or “Cal Con Con.”
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Without CA 55 EV’s the rest of the country would be way more conservative. It is simple math.
Rather than going it alone, CA should just become the Northernmost State of Mexico.
We already have half their Population anyway.
Thanks for the clarification. I agree.
About 40% of California residents would flee to other states in the union. Real estate would be wiped out. Banks would go broke with the real estate losses. Them state would have no way to replace the lost income and pensions would not be paid. Those who remain would have virtually zero ability to defend themselves. It would be ripe pickings for Mexico and China. But we would all have cheap dope!
Yes, the legislature must apply.
As for popular initiatives in general, they are dangerous. While common to probably all states, they are direct democracy and should be avoided. Joe Blow has no business making laws, constitutional amendments or voting on secession.
"Say wha...?"
The Yes California Independence Campaign came to a holt in April after its leader, Louis Marinelli, said he was abandoning the movement and moving permanently to Russia.
The USSR was composed of distict populations with different languages and cultures. Many of the republics had been independent countries- Baltic states, Armenia, Ukraine at various times in the past. CA is diverse, but not to the extent if the USSR.
I don’t think CA could defend itself.
Although a minority there are a considerable number of regular Americans that inhabit the north, the valley and most inland areas. These people would side with the US, just as WVA sided with the union.
Then, the US fleet in SD would control all commerce entering CA ports from the Pacific easily blocking any aid and from the Chicoms.
The metrosexuals from SF and LA are not Johnny Rebs.
They could have more autonomy right away if they pit their money where their mouths are: forgo federal money and the strings that come with it.
But CA won’t do that.
Talk is cheap.
Minus two Rat senators, a Rat nest of representatives, and 55 EVs that will no longer be a guaranteed bonus for the Rat party, how could that not be a yuge improvement for the country?
The South is as different from the North east as Ukraine was different from Russia.
How does a country like Portugal defend itself with a per capita income about half of CA? CA would be first world country if independent.
There won’t be a war because bellicose idiots like are the minority.
I don’t think that moon beam Brown could run and field an army. Most of the military budget would go to sex change operations, sensitivity training, and green fuels.
And the idiot Conservatives that want a Constitutional Convention for their own reasons think THEY can control it, once it takes off.
In reality, it has been argued by some historians that the present Constitution was illegally adopted, because the Constitutional Convention that drew it up was tasked solely with ONLY revising the Articles of Confederation, not writing a whole new Constitution. They then altered the approval process for any changes, which the Articles of Confederation said had to be unanimous consent by all the states. That change needed to unanimous first, to change the highest condition they were meeting on in the first place. It wasn’t. After making that change, ditching the Articles of Confederation and writing whole new Constitution, they set their work as legal and binding after only nine states approved it.
That history shows, every Constitutional Convention has the possibility that it runs away from its mandate. Best chances are it would again.
True. Nevertheless, we have a precedent called the Civil War that Californians and all states need to consider. We have a President, who I believe would not tolerate any state's attempt to leave the union.
It would be a lot easier for them to secede if they allowed the conservative parts of the state to secede from the state of California first. That would leave only the nutty libs who would vote overwhelmingly to secede and whom we would be glad to let secede.
They want more independence for themselves but less for us.
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