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Who was responsible for the violence in Charlottesville? Here's what witnesses say (both sides)
LA Times ^

Posted on 08/16/2017 11:45:10 AM PDT by Cubs Fan

Lots of accounts from left right and all in between. Show the violence was, just as trump says, on both sides.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: antifa; charlottesville; neonazis; virginia
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To: Cubs Fan

Neither side was the CAUSE, they were the “result” ... the cause was the CITY COUNCIL trying to revise USA History. Any death, and all violence and all the blood is on their HANDS. Was it “worth it” City Council? Actions have consequences. Why in hell does the City Council get a pass on this?


101 posted on 08/16/2017 1:55:45 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (If GOP won House, Senate and Presidency...why are the Democrats still in charge?)
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To: Alberta's Child
This bit of video is not very distinct, but it looks like a protestor at the left rear of the grey car swings something to hit the rear of the car, just BEFORE the driver accelerates. This would definitely suggest that there was some violent antecedent which may have scared the driver:

Seconds Before C-ville Car Hit Crowd, a Camera Caught Game-Changing Act

Doesn't mean that stepping on the accelerator was legally or morally appropriate, but it does seem to support the idea it may have been a panic reaction rather than a pre-meditated attack.
102 posted on 08/16/2017 1:57:10 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: taxcontrol

The 0:13 mark in “my” video is a very blurry video of the crash in progress, nothing visible on his car at all.


103 posted on 08/16/2017 2:03:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: TigersEye

Use a photo tool that allows you to zoom in and look at the front windshield. It is located to the right of the rear window break light. You will see the smashed windshield.

also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9cbH_KfMw at the 10 second mark. You will see a pedestrian from the left sidewalk step out and strike the car. This is before the impact with the crowd.


104 posted on 08/16/2017 2:06:19 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Enchante
It's not very distinct because it's a gif of a video not a video and it begins a block after he started accelerating.

Again...

https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1

105 posted on 08/16/2017 2:06:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: taxcontrol
You will see a pedestrian from the left sidewalk step out and strike the car. This is before the impact with the crowd.

After he had sped towards them for nearly a block. No damage visible in the video or the pic. In fact his windshield isn't visible in any way in either.

Apparently you think hitting three bodies had nothing to do with the damage to his windshield. Suit yourself.

106 posted on 08/16/2017 2:10:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: P.O.E.

Not sure, but the rumor I heard was that it started with a guy in New Orleans who wants to start or has a museum on slavery. But he wants to do it with other people’s money and property, so he started a campaign to have the confederate monuments in New Orleans taken down and relocated to his place.


107 posted on 08/16/2017 2:14:55 PM PDT by piasa
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To: TigersEye

Stand corrected.


108 posted on 08/16/2017 2:18:49 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: DoodleDawg

Things would have gone so much better had both sides just sent letters to the editor and to their reps...

Then again, the editor would refuse to publish the views of one side annd the rep would try to distance himself from one side because he’s afraid of the other side’s control of the press and what that means for his next election run.

As a result, we get more stupid demonstrations that don’t change anyone’s mind, either.


109 posted on 08/16/2017 2:21:26 PM PDT by piasa
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To: fruser1

So they had permits for other parks, but NO permit to gather at Emancipation park.

So they were there illegally..


110 posted on 08/16/2017 2:23:35 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: dhs12345
Whose stupid idea to allow both to have permits on the same day?

Democrats?

111 posted on 08/16/2017 2:25:40 PM PDT by piasa
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To: TigersEye

What I believe is based on the photo evidence:

1) an illegal protest (riot) was in progress
2) individuals from that illegal protest were blocking a street
3) individuals were attacking the car
4) AFTER the attack on the car, the car THEN impacted the crowd
5) the crowd then continued to attack the car
6) the car, no longer able to go forward, then reversed in an attempt to flee the riot.

Those are the facts as seen in the photo evidence.


112 posted on 08/16/2017 2:26:27 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: Sam Gamgee

It doesn’t matter. They have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.


113 posted on 08/16/2017 2:26:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: taxcontrol
What I believe is based on the photo evidence:

1) an illegal protest (riot) was in progress Irrelevant to the crash.
2) individuals from that illegal protest were blocking a street Irrelevant to the crash.
3) individuals were attacking the car After it sped down a block towards them.
4) AFTER the attack on the car, the car THEN impacted the crowd False.
5) the crowd then continued to attack the car Who could blame them?
6) the car, no longer able to go forward, then reversed in an attempt to flee the riot. AKA fleeing the scene of an accident.

Those are the facts as seen in the photo evidence. No they're not.

114 posted on 08/16/2017 2:31:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: TigersEye

1) Not irrelevant as it is the first domino, the initial illegal activity. Had there been no illegal protest, there would not have been protesters blocking the road.

2) Not irrelevant as it is the second domino. Had the street been clear, no one would have been there to be hurt.

3) The car was LEGALLY traveling down the one way street. You are ASSUMING that he was speeding and have not presented any proof that he was speeding. The fact remains that the crowd was illegally in the street, he was not.

4) In fact true. Photo evidence of windshield damage prior to impacting the crowd and video evidence of an individual striking the car prior to impact to the crowd.

5) I can blame them because it is called assault with a deadly weapon.

6) Fleeing to avoid bodily injury or possible death is not a crime and is in fact, a mitigation against the charge of fleeing in many states.

You may not think that they are facts, and you are entitled to ignore any evidence you want. However, they are still facts.


115 posted on 08/16/2017 2:43:34 PM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

If the city council is elected, and wants to eliminate statues on city property for any reason or no reason at all, why wouldn’t they have the right to do so without violence erupting or nonresidents on one or more sides meddling in their affairs?

Shouldn’t it be between the city council and city residents and not outsiders?


116 posted on 08/16/2017 2:53:20 PM PDT by piasa
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To: taxcontrol
You are ASSUMING that he was speeding and have not presented any proof that he was speeding.

ROTFLMAO

I have presented it over and over and unlike what you call facts it is patently obvious and doesn't require seeing things that can't be seen.

https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737/video/1

He starts speeding towards a dense crowd of people from a block away at a point on the street where there were very few people, none of whom were paying attention to him, with a near empty intersection directly behind him and a totally empty street on the other side of the intersection.

Where was the cause for panic?

117 posted on 08/16/2017 2:54:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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To: TigersEye

They showed restraint. I probably would have shot those mother ——!


118 posted on 08/16/2017 2:58:32 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: taxcontrol

2.5) Driver of car , at an unsafe speed for those crowded conditions, drives bout a block before impact.


119 posted on 08/16/2017 2:58:45 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Sam Gamgee

No doubt!


120 posted on 08/16/2017 2:59:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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