Posted on 07/28/2017 6:25:40 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
I guess I should have suffered through this nonsense to the end.
The author is mistaken but is correct that our insurance industry is not conservative.
If health insurance worked like auto insurance, that would be aligned with freedom. Providers being free to set any prices to undercut each other for biz, like auto shops do. Paying monthly or yearly for catastrophic insurance, depending on “health” of the car, known risks.
Adding charity clinics and hospitals, plus a form of reward for older people who have paid insurance for decades up to age 65 who then get to continue their same good insurance they had, for pennies on the dollar in retirement.
Any form of socialized medicine for the masses will result in the quality of health care SINKING as well as our research becoming less top of the line. I’ve used health care in other counties and it doesn’t approach ours.
PROOF I AM RIGHT: Any of the healthcare fields which do not use insurance here are thriving for the consumer and the practitioner, free market, absolutely worldwide top of the line quality: cosmetic, infertility, bariatric.
Baby Charlie Gard is like the poster child of single payer health insurance. Maybe this really is what our government wants for us. Somehow the cult movis “Logans Run” and “Soylent Green” come to mind. Look at the VA. My good friend died prematurely because they delayed his care. Good way to get rid of us who remember how it used to be when the word freedom and liberty meant something. Just look at the Netherlands and their death squads mobile units.
All supporters of “Free Health Care” completely ignore the cost factor.
One major cost is research. If drug companies can’t recoup the cost of research, they won’t do it.
Also, the FIRST thing the government does when it takes over health care is limit malpractice awards. Why not do that now?
Putin could make his country a mecca for medical advancement and care if he were to make Medicine in Russia totally free market. It would bring money from patients and investment from around the world to Russia and make Russia, in time, the center for R&D for the world. Our best and brightest who are inclined toward Medicine would migrate there.
When there are no more effective antibiotics, the luxury care for the Oligarch will have deteriorated to 1910 levels for infectious diseases though it will still be much better than that for the peons. Still, when we reach that level-you get sick, you die.
How about Conservative case for state chartered 501c3 charitable health insurance companies? No shareholder skim off the top. No CEO salaries of 30 plus million.
Competition. More Doctor Patient autonomy.
Tax subsidies for poor where necessay.
Charlie Gard, and more so his parents, were treated abominably by the government of the UK, but it is completely false to say that he “was denied lifesaving treatment”.
He was denied experimental treatment, the purpose of which was to collect data about his condition and hopefully to develop future treatments to improve the situation of others.
I have been involved with hundreds of human experimental subjects (all adults), almost all with terminal illness, who elected to participate in trials of experimental therapy. Despite extensive and thorough disclosure of risk and lack of known benefit, almost all of them agree based on their belief that they will be the lucky one who benefits (that’s not a criticism, it’s simply human nature).
Experimental medicine is important and necessary, but not experimenting on any given subject is the furthest thing in the world from “denying them lifesaving treatment”.
“Why does socialized healthcare cost less?”
Rationing and outright denial of care. Especially for seniors. Thats how.
Of course. I was simply stating that if there is no direct monetary impact on individuals for medical treatments, then use of the healthcare system will go way up.
Soooooo true. My friends with insurance get a blood lab slip from their doctor. They take it to that blood lab down the hall. They sit there and get those tubes of blood drawn.
Contrast that with me, a self payer with a Health Share. I get the slip. I go home. I start calling labs, asking how much each of those tests the doc checked without thinking will cost. I price check different labs. I also CROSS OFF an expensive blood test that is clearly being run for the doctor’s CYA, as I don’t intend to sue him.
Let’s say the (inflated) street price for the above identical lab slips is $500. The first person isn’t paying it, maybe she is paying $25 co pay. She couldn’t care less, so she gets all the labs drawn for $500 and never uses one thread of her brain (but if her restaurant meal cost $300, she’d price check too).
I end up paying $200 or less. Because I shopped around and eliminated waste.
If you think that doesn’t happen DAILY, more like HOURLY, in the USA, you’re crazy.
I needed an IV treatment for someone yesterday. Mostly the places charges $500-300 to come give it. I kept shopping and found a small doctor clinic a mile away who did it for $150. You insured people don’t care; you’d just call the $500 guys because you’re not paying for it. It’s a disgrace.
Absolutely... It’s support is based on population control.
There is no CONSERVATIVE case or justification for the abandonment of personal responsibility, personal freedoms and capitalism. There is only lame justification for the abandonment of principles.
For those that support such drivel, depart from us, we desire neither your counsel nor your countenance.
You said it best. Nicely done.
Author says healthcare is cheaper in countries with socialized medicine.
That’s because judges murder your child if he doesn’t have any utility to the state.
After working within the UK NHS, I have been fighting against single-payer for years. While there, I observed that two women in their 20’s died of cervical cancer. They had had positive papsmears but no one notified them. The doctor blamed the lab and the lab blamed the dr. Yes, it is ALWAYS the dr’s responsibility to notify patients of results. The lab NEVER sends results directly to the patient. I watched as a colleague’s husband died unnecessarily from an abdominal aortic aneurysm. They had gone to their assigned GP after she finished work the day before. The GP told them ‘you are wasting my time, he just has indigestion’. I had seen him when he had picked up my friend that day and his skin looked decidedly blue. He died the next morning. I watched as a businessman died after a riding accident. No one had seen the accident; his wife came around a bend and he was on the ground. He went to the emergency room and died the next day. They hadn’t done an abdominal scan when he was admitted to the hospital, so they didn’t realize the horse had stepped on him and lacerated his liver. When the NHS was quietly questioned why this scan hadn’t been done, their response was ‘be quiet, you could ruin a man’s medical career’. These incidents were all within one year of work in the NHS. Withholding care, intimidation and having no recourse for shoddy care is how Socialized Medicine works. When things go awry, there is no recourse......you cannot win when you try to sue the Government.
This view is lunacy, and, unfortunately, likely where we’re headed.
The goal was to institute Ocare long enough to Cloward-Piven the system. It worked.
And its most prominent latest victim is about to be Charlie Gard.
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