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Senate adds penalty for going uninsured to healthcare bill
The Hill ^ | 06/26/2017 | RACHEL ROUBEIN AND NATHANIEL WEIXEL

Posted on 06/26/2017 10:41:17 AM PDT by GIdget2004

Senate Republicans on Monday released a revised version of their healthcare bill that adds a provision requiring consumers with a break in coverage to wait six months before buying insurance.

The Senate bill would make those who had a lapse in coverage for 63 days or more wait six months before obtaining insurance. (Read the bill here.)

The continuous coverage provision was noticeably omitted from the Senate’s draft, but aides said they were working behind the scenes to add it. The provision addresses concerns that people would only sign up for health coverage when they’re sick if insurers can't deny coverage for pre-existing conditions.

The addition of the six month waiting period could make it more difficult to pass the legislation, if the Senate parliamentarian rules the provision violates the complex budget reconciliation rules. Republican leadership was working over the weekend to make sure the provision complies with the rules and can be included.

It’s unclear whether Senate Republicans will have the votes to pass the bill, with at least five Senate Republicans on record as opposing the bill in its current form.

On Monday, Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) doubled down that a vote will be this week.

The Congressional Budget Office is expected to issue its analysis of the bill as soon as Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 115th; ahca; mcconnell; repealandreplace; rinocare
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To: deadrock

“If people cannot be denied coverage due to a preexisting condition then the government has to force people to buy insurance. As simple as that.”

Things are never that simple.

Coverage could be denied for that pre-existing condition alone for a period of up to 18 months. That’s the old way.

Another way is to limit the payouts for a period of time for that pre-existing condition to say 80% of the premiums due and paid in full.

If you can live without coverage for a condition for 6 months you in most cases could live without coverage for 18 months.

I could become HIV-positive tomorrow and not gets AIDS for 10 years.

If could get rheumatoid arthritis next month and not suffer severe disability until I’ve been on Medicare for five years.

I could get cancer in October. I might be dead in a year, covered or not.


41 posted on 06/26/2017 11:04:13 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: House Atreides

You’re right, it isn’t a mandate.


42 posted on 06/26/2017 11:04:53 AM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: FirstFlaBn

There are bankruptcies on the horizon every where you turn, with these horrendous unsustainable welfare programs.


43 posted on 06/26/2017 11:05:31 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: GIdget2004

This is reasonable. If someone decides not to have Nazi insurance, that’s fine. But if they get sick and then decide to sign up OF COURSE there has to be a penalty. People not getting insurance have made a decision, one they need to be accountable for. Without this bit of individual responsibility there’s no way insurance is feasible.


44 posted on 06/26/2017 11:05:38 AM PDT by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: GIdget2004

Anybody have that “Bake That Cake!” graphic with the Gov’t guy beating the business owner with his baton?


45 posted on 06/26/2017 11:07:38 AM PDT by Kalamata
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To: McGavin999

If something is already wrong with someone they shouldn’t be in an insurance pool. Trying to solve the “insurance” problem with people who are already in a position to make claims against it is an exercise guaranteed to fail.

Try this: we have two separate problems:

Problem One: Affordable actual insurance which is actual insurance (no pre-existing conditions).

Problem Two: Paying for the care of people who have pre-existing conditions and are thus uninsurable for those conditions.

Treating this situation as two separate problems is the ONLY route to a solution, which is why all other attempts have failed and will continue to fail. They are simply two separate sets of problems that need separate solutions.


46 posted on 06/26/2017 11:08:08 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Brian Griffin

I don’t believe the GOP is interested in putting any stipulations on preexisting conditions.


47 posted on 06/26/2017 11:09:08 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: GIdget2004

It’s a bit of a disincentive, but not much of one.


48 posted on 06/26/2017 11:10:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: 9YearLurker
God help us! If only Trump would have a clue on this and take the lead. I am afraid his billionaire experience just leads him to want to demonstrate “heart” and not understand how very important the free market dynamics are here.

Any "free market dynamics" incorporated into the final version of this bill will be due to the influence of the House Freedom Caucus, and Senators like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

President Trump is not the Legislature, and he can only sign what 51 senators and 218 house members pass. If Congress passed a conservative health care bill, I have no doubt that the President would sign it.

The bottom line is that we have to trust the HFC—and a couple of conservative GOP Senators—to hold out for whatever positive provisions can be included.

There's no doubt that—even with the votes of the HFC, and Senators Cruz and Paul—that whatever passes as this "first step" will never satisfy the ideological "purists". Until we elect more courageous, Patriotic voices to Congress, President Trump is forced to deal with that body as it's currently constructed.

This Revolution isn't going to be completed merely with the election of a populist/conservative President. There must also be changes in the Congress, starting in 2018 and moving forward. It was the height of naiveté to imagine otherwise...

49 posted on 06/26/2017 11:11:00 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: deadrock
Nobody actually explains the reality of "pre-existing conditions" denials. It does not preclude you from buying insurance. If you have a pre-existing condition, you are prevented from insurance coverage for that specific condition for one year from the start of your coverage. All other things are covered, and then after one year of continuous coverage, so is the pre-existing condition!

I have personally been through this several times. I really wish the media would start doing their job and reporting facts instead of DNC press releases. I also wish the pubbies would start explaining the facts.

50 posted on 06/26/2017 11:14:21 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Principled

Have been doing insurance verif for 30 years. Prior to Obamacare most policies had pre-existing ranging from 90 days to 6 months. Created extra paperwork in some instances, but well worth it.


51 posted on 06/26/2017 11:15:20 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: GIdget2004

That is exactly the provision that PO’d so many people.
“We aren’t forcing you to buy it, but we’ll penalize you if you don’t” is GD hypocrisy and government overreach.


52 posted on 06/26/2017 11:15:21 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: GIdget2004

Traitors to the Republic...exposing themselves in spades.


53 posted on 06/26/2017 11:17:20 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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To: GIdget2004

As with most other issues, all gov’t needs to do is rid us of illegals, then get out of the way and get out of the healthcare business.


54 posted on 06/26/2017 11:18:34 AM PDT by umgud
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To: GIdget2004

If they don’t do anything about the cost of healthcare (not insurance) then it doesn’t matter. A hospital should have to charge the same bed rate (within a narrow band) for everyone. Same for physicians per visits and surgeons per type of surgery, same for drugs. They should have to publish their fees and adhere to them. Not $100 for Medicaid, $400 for commercial insurance, and $2,500 for individual pay.


55 posted on 06/26/2017 11:19:30 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: blackdog

If this is what the GOP in the Senate is proposing it is good news.


56 posted on 06/26/2017 11:19:32 AM PDT by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: GIdget2004

No more delegated power for this regulation than for requiring people to be insured in the first place!

Maybe the federal government should honor the Constitution and nix its involvement in healthcare among the several States entirely?


57 posted on 06/26/2017 11:21:56 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: GIdget2004

This part is worse than ACA.


58 posted on 06/26/2017 11:21:58 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: GIdget2004

Lipstick on a pig.

Full repeal. Market based replacement. To do otherwise is the end of the GOP.


59 posted on 06/26/2017 11:22:00 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: deadrock
But the public needs an education on actual terms of coverage mean in both the long and short term in a healthcare insurance agreement or contract.

BTW, HMO's / PPO's / and other contractual plans of healthcare are not "Insurance" under the HMO act of 1974, by Ted Kennedy. Such plans are merely contracts and are exempt from state insurance regulation.

60 posted on 06/26/2017 11:24:08 AM PDT by blackdog
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