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Clarence Thomas Attacks Civil Asset Forfeiture, Lower Court Follows His Lead
Reason ^ | Jun. 21, 2017 | Damon Root

Posted on 06/25/2017 2:22:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: NorthMountain; DanZ

FWIW, the late RJ Rummell credited the PRC(Mao Tse Tung et al.) with 76.7 million murders, USSR (Lenin, Stalin, et al.) with 61.9 million murders, and the Third Reich (Hitler) with 20.9 million murders.
His exhaustive study of genocide and democide is well worth reading and understanding. Most of what is considered ‘knowledge’ on the topic in popular culture is inadequate, inaccurate, and incomplete.

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I had not realized Rummell had died.

To put a finer pint on it, these are deaths performed by the governments ON THEIR OWN CITIZENS AND SUBJECTS.


41 posted on 06/25/2017 5:30:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: trisham

>”...this Court’s interpretation of the Constitution...”

Well, there’s your 1st hint. Maybe the Court should READ and adhere to the F* thing. We don’t need another @sshole, I mean interpretation\opinion, of plain English.

Yes, Due Process is just yet another victim of govt run amok. Glad someone had the gumption to point out the Emperor has no clothes; I didn’t expect much from the 4 big-govt justices.


42 posted on 06/25/2017 6:21:41 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: NonValueAdded; Dilbert San Diego; All

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Sue to get your own money back? The case was originally dismissed with a “no standing”ruling. No standing for your own assets???
>

“Own assets”?? The case was ‘The People vs. $17500’. No where did the names of those suing can up in THAT case; hence, no ‘standing’.

See, Leftist logic is easy /s

And, since A.F. has had a track-record, contrary to it being contrary to the Constitutions, it has ‘precedent’. That makes it doubly-legally good, y’know? No need to go back further than the initial ‘law’...


43 posted on 06/25/2017 6:27:29 PM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: bigdaddy45

I don’t see how “ civil asset forfeiture” in cases like this where there isn’t even a conviction of the party to which it belongs is comparable with the 5th amedment.

Is that not a explicit example of being deprived of property without due process of law?
Or for that matter an example of the 2nd clause of private property being taken for public use without just compensation?

Maybe it is States that don’t have such a Constitutional restriction doing it. But Civil Asset Forfeiture laws on the federal level are explicitly forbidden by the U.S. Constitution. Only upon conviction of the party owning the property can you claim take it for public use.

5th amendment:
“nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”


44 posted on 06/25/2017 6:32:35 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Chickensoup
I had not realized Rummell had died.

Three or four years ago, IIRC. The world would be a poorer place without his having been in it. He was a true rarity: an honest researcher in the field of Political Science.

45 posted on 06/25/2017 6:41:07 PM PDT by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain

The world would be a poorer place without his having been in it. He was a true rarity: an honest researcher in the field of Political Science.

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True, his book Death by Government opened my eyes in a way no other book did.


46 posted on 06/25/2017 6:43:38 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: PapaBear3625
The SC needs four justices to vote to take the case. My guess is that the anti-seizure justices felt they weren't going to get a fifth vote, and didn't want to have a SC decision upholding seizure. They may revisit the issue if Kennedy or Ginsberg goes and is replaced by a constitutional originalist.

That makes sense - thanks for the info.

47 posted on 06/25/2017 6:45:47 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: DanZ

Mao, had them both beat, in terms of numbers. And Pol Pot would bet them all, if it were on a percentage basis. By the way, Hitler killed 7 million non-Jews.


48 posted on 06/25/2017 7:08:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: fella

Nope. Really? Some guy comes here illegally and works his ass off.... then send him home. But take his money too? Nope. I would never agree to that.


49 posted on 06/25/2017 7:10:21 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: DesertRhino
"The difference between Stalin and Hitler is nil."

Hold ur horses.....Stalin was supported by the west (allies) before, during, AND after WWII!

50 posted on 06/25/2017 8:16:39 PM PDT by crazy scenario ( We can't take you anywhere!)
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To: nickcarraway

Outlaw police from getting one dime. All seized asserts go to paying down national or state debt and only after conviction of a crime that proves the assets came from criminal acts.


51 posted on 06/26/2017 1:33:07 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: bigdaddy45

So you like open borders.


52 posted on 06/26/2017 1:58:30 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Monorprise

Thinking the flight was about to be highjacked, I turned-in a nervous passenger to the pilot, via flight attendants.

Atlanta police found $100,000 taped to his body.


53 posted on 06/26/2017 3:22:15 AM PDT by Does so (PARIS is like OPEC, except We're Winning!)
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To: Does so

In Federal court, flight attendants testified that a drug transaction had occurred in the rear of the plane. I’d also testified. The CRIMINAL defense attornies’ questions revolved around the fact that


54 posted on 06/26/2017 3:25:29 AM PDT by Does so (PARIS is like OPEC, except We're Winning!)
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To: Does so

I was NOT an expert in drug transactions.

The money was returned—less legal fees— to the citizen of Columbia.

:-/


55 posted on 06/26/2017 3:28:40 AM PDT by Does so (PARIS is like OPEC, except We're Winning!)
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To: Does so

Sorry, but my Smartphone hides the “post” button after a few sentences.


56 posted on 06/26/2017 3:30:48 AM PDT by Does so (PARIS is like OPEC, except We're Winning!)
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To: nickcarraway

This ‘asset forfeiture’ law legalizes armed robbery on the side of the road and any member of law enforcement who steals money from innocent people deserves what happens to them when people defend themselves from armed robbery.

The law be damned: it’s robbery under color of authority and if someone fights back against it then good for them.


57 posted on 06/26/2017 8:35:04 AM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: trisham

This among other rulings is why he is my favorite Justice.


58 posted on 06/28/2017 11:36:24 PM PDT by deek69
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To: deek69

:)


59 posted on 06/29/2017 6:23:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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