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To: deplorableindc

Castile’s biggest problem was “carrying while stoned”.

Had he stopped moving when the officer told him to stop reaching he’d be alive today.

Does that mean the officer was without fault? No, but you can’t rely on the officer not freaking out if you continue to move after the officer shouts “don’t!...”


5 posted on 06/21/2017 9:24:00 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno
"Had he stopped moving when the officer told him to stop reaching he’d be alive today."

That isn't what the officer told him.

23 posted on 06/21/2017 9:59:58 AM PDT by mlo
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cop

your brake light is going to be out. you have your license and insurance?

driver

(apparently recognizes the question as a command to hand over license and insurance. gets a piece of paper from somewhere, apparently a glove compartment, with the help of his spouse, and hands it to the officer)

driver

officer, i do have to tell you that i have a —

officer

ok

— firearm on me —

officer

ok

driver

— i’m go— i’m —

officer

don’t reach for it then

driver

— i’m, i’m gonna have to —

officer

don’t pull it out.

driver

— i have to —

driver’s girlfriend

— he has to —

officer

don’t pull it out!

officer begins to discharge his weapon into driver’s body, firing approximately 2 shots

driver’s girlfriend

no! no!

officer continues to discharge his weapon into driver’s body, firing about 5 more shots

driver

oww, oww, oww, oww

driver’s girlfriend

why you just had to kill my boyfriend

driver

i wasn’t reach—

driver’s girfriend

he wasn’t reach—

officer

don’t pull it out! (still holding gun, pointed at driver)

driver’s girlfriend

he wasn’t—

officer

don’t move! fuck!

driver’s girlfriend

oh, man...

officer

fuck!

driver’s girlfriend

oh my god...

officer

don’t move!

(back door opens)

driver’s girlfriend

oh my god...

officer

don’t move!

(kid walks out of back door)


my take

the officer seems mentally unstable. he issued contradictory commands. he could have shot the girlfriend and the kid.

the driver sounds too relaxed, as if on pot, and he seems unaware of the danger he is put in by the officer’s contradictory commands.

i can understand that in the mind of the driver, he was not reaching for his gun when he allegedly reached for his wallet, and he was in full compliance with the officer at that time.

the officer does not say “don’t move!” until several seconds after shooting the victim.

i suspect that the officer was trained to say “don’t move” at the time the driver announces that he has a firearm on him. the officer forgot that he issued a command to produce a driver’s license. the officer instead said, don’t pull it out— but does not say what “it” is, implying that he was talking about the firearm, but not restricting the driver from pulling out his wallet to comply with the officer’s earlier request to produce a driver’s license.

will there be a civil lawsuit?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-philando-castile-plans-lawsuit-attorney-says-n608156


59 posted on 06/21/2017 11:05:43 AM PDT by SteveH
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