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To: jeffersondem
Leastwise, we now have our timeline. Your cut-off for the existence of "colonies" is the end of business day July 4. 1776. Just prior to that, one could apply the term "colony" or "state" to those entities that where thenceforth only known by the term "states". What had been called the United Colonies, then and there, became the United States. At that point, those free and Independent states commenced drafting their individual constitutions. Every Northern state began writing the abolition of slavery into their state constitutions. These things don't happen overnight. No Southern state was writing the abolition of slavery into their respective constitutions. In point of fact, Massachusetts had declared its own independence from the British Monarch in May of 1776. Massachusetts then commenced hammering out its anti-slavery "state" constitution which went into effect in 1780.

For you to harp on bashing Northern slave states without even bothering to mention slavery in the South is most disingenuous. You are driven by hatred of the North, hatred of Lincoln and will twist and distort whatever facts in order to put the North in a bad light. Nobody is saying the northerners were saints. No one is saying the North became enlightened to the horrors of the peculiar institution in the South and decide to wage war to free the slaves. You are setting up a straw-man and then over-arguing it to unleash your bias.

Remember, for future reference, when the people of today discuss Colonies, they are talking about the "states" prior to Independence Day and we refer to them as "states" since Independence Day. At least that is how it works here in the States. Now please tell me what is the distinction you make between "northern states" and "original northern states". To be clear, and so forth and so on and forth and on.

367 posted on 06/20/2017 8:00:17 PM PDT by HandyDandy ("I reckon so. I guess we all died a little in that damn war.")
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To: HandyDandy
“Leastwise, we now have our timeline. Your cut-off for the existence of “colonies” is the end of business day July 4. 1776. Just prior to that, one could apply the term “colony” or “state” to those entities that where thenceforth only known by the term “states”. What had been called the United Colonies, then and there, became the United States. At that point, those free and Independent states commenced drafting their individual constitutions. Every Northern state began writing the abolition of slavery into their state constitutions. These things don't happen overnight. No Southern state was writing the abolition of slavery into their respective constitutions. In point of fact, Massachusetts had declared its own independence from the British Monarch in May of 1776. Massachusetts then commenced hammering out its anti-slavery “state” constitution which went into effect in 1780.
For you to harp on bashing Northern slave states without even bothering to mention slavery in the South is most disingenuous. You are driven by hatred of the North, hatred of Lincoln and will twist and distort whatever facts in order to put the North in a bad light. Nobody is saying the northerners were saints. No one is saying the North became enlightened to the horrors of the peculiar institution in the South and decide to wage war to free the slaves. You are setting up a straw-man and then over-arguing it to unleash your bias. Remember, for future reference, when the people of today discuss Colonies, they are talking about the “states” prior to Independence Day and we refer to them as “states” since Independence Day. At least that is how it works here in the States. Now please tell me what is the distinction you make between “northern states” and “original northern states”. To be clear, and so forth and so on and forth and on.”

I leap to the conclusion you agree with DoodleDawg. And me.

368 posted on 06/20/2017 8:11:21 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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