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The Buck Stops Everywhere Else: Trump undermines his own travel ban
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 5, 2017

Posted on 06/06/2017 5:43:00 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Williams

+1


61 posted on 06/06/2017 7:23:34 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I’m sure Kelleyanne is having a great week in the WH, lol! It seems the president is not the only one who has trouble with his tweets. That was an unbelievable act of hubris and backstabbing by her stupid husband. Or perhaps they were in it together, who knows?


62 posted on 06/06/2017 7:24:58 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: RummyChick

I think you are right. The President’s lawyers are the ones who are most concerned with winning the case, not anonymous Freepers. If the DOJ lawyers are unhappy with the tweets, Trump has clearly stepped over a line and jeopardized this case. Agree 100%....


63 posted on 06/06/2017 7:29:06 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Cboldt

‘I notice all the hand wringers have the same attribute - they abide by irrational tyrants, just because the tyrants are wearing black robes.

New rule of law, tweets control the constitutionality of statutory language.

Lawyers are the most chicken-shit risk averse people on the planet, and second only to the press (and the judiciary) in their dishonesty.’

On fire!

+1 x 1,000!


64 posted on 06/06/2017 7:29:14 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: RummyChick

+1


65 posted on 06/06/2017 7:31:02 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: miss marmelstein

Honestly, I wouldn’t want to be Kellyanne right now. Trump has enough to do just swatting down the moonbats; he doesn’t need flack from Mr. Kellyanne. I’m sure by now Kellyanne has had it all spelled out for her.

;)


66 posted on 06/06/2017 7:33:46 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: RummyChick
I read that https://takecareblog.com/blog/tweetstorm-round-deux article, and have an observation that will help many readers understand the underlying dynamic.

Notice a common theme, "undermine Trump's lawyers' arguments." That phrase taken without mind of the underlying legal process, gives the impression that Trump's lawyers initiated these lines of argument. That these are the reasons the travel ban (just adopting the vernacular, I hate the term) should be viewed as constitutional.

The fact of the matter is, these are Trump's lawyers rebuttals to arguments raised by opponents to the travel ban.

Another fact of the matter is that the judges below have allowed ludicrous lines of argument to persist and even control the outcome, but that's obvious to anybody who reads the court's pronouncements.

Finally, in the real world, the hand wringing by the lawyers is justified only because courts are in fact arbitrary. If courts used logic, reason, sound judgment and the rule of law, the correct outcome of this case has been clear from the start. The only reason the case persists is that the federal courts are political, not judicial. And the lawyers and the public and Congress, all, tolerate it. Some even defend it as some sort of righteous institution that deserves respect and deference. Spit.

67 posted on 06/06/2017 7:33:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

+1


68 posted on 06/06/2017 7:36:19 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I hope he wrings her neck!

And they say the president can’t keep his mouth shut???!


69 posted on 06/06/2017 7:37:20 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

This is not new with lawyers and the White House Staff.

Alex SeitzNBC-- Clinton WH aides racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars in personal legal bills. White collar defense not cheap. …


70 posted on 06/06/2017 7:38:18 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Cleaning Out The Sewer.)
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To: NIKK
Alex Seitz-Wald‏-NBC-

Guessing Trump's war room would find more recruits if he promised to cover staff legal bills. Clinton did this in 96, was not a billionaire.


71 posted on 06/06/2017 7:39:49 AM PDT by STARLIT (Draining the Swamp includes Cleaning Out The Sewer.)
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To: Bigg Red

“The word “president” is a noun.”

If you say “the President” it’s clearly a noun. If you say “President Trump” it is a title - a discriptor, and may serve as an adjective.

For example the word “concrete” is a noun but when you say “a concrete pathway”, you are using “concrete” to discribing the pathway. Same with the color “black” - it’s the name of a color so it’s a noun but often used as an adjective.

Same with “feather pillow”, “square box”, “liquid gold”.

By the way, I have no idea what I’m talking about - if there are any grammar professors reading this and they tell me I’m wrong, I’ll concede.

But I’ll ask one question: in the phrase “grammar professor”, isn’t “grammar” a noun being used as an adjective to qualify “professor”?


72 posted on 06/06/2017 7:41:27 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Cboldt

Whether it is small claims court...or SCOTUS..you have to develop a strategy. It will be ..in part..based on the other side.. It will always be at the mercy of the whims of the Judge..who can overrule a crucial objection that can blow up your case...because he doesn’t like you...or some other whim

With all the variables..it doesnt help to have a client who undercuts you.


73 posted on 06/06/2017 7:44:11 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s difficult to fathom the logic on the Conways’ part. If it’s something they thought Trump should know, Kellyanne could have told him in person. But why undercut him publicly? I hope her neck’s intact, but I also hope her ears are burning.


74 posted on 06/06/2017 7:44:32 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

I just don’t get it. He gave her a great job with, undoubtedly, a great salary - that benefits her husband as well as herself - and this is how it’s repaid?

Trump had great loyalty in NYC. He must be gobsmacked.


75 posted on 06/06/2017 7:47:38 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: reaganaut1

President Trump thinks he is going to win in the SC. He wants a “travel ban” upheld not some pablum.


76 posted on 06/06/2017 7:48:27 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: nwrep; RummyChick
The President’s lawyers are the ones who are most concerned with winning the case, not anonymous Freepers. If the DOJ lawyers are unhappy with the tweets, Trump has clearly stepped over a line and jeopardized this case.

Your comment makes no substantive point. It's a simple Appeal to Authority fallacy.

77 posted on 06/06/2017 7:51:11 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RummyChick
I didnt ignore it. This is not an open and shut case. I gave you an article that goes Into great depths about the legal ramifications....and shows why lawyers were very likely doing face palms after seeing their client’s tweets.

I started reading a couple of the article's points and I disagree with them. If you agree with the article's point, you should articulate those points here.

78 posted on 06/06/2017 7:53:53 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Conway tweeted DOJ lawyers were unhappy. Even without that tweet from conway it would be easy to see why they would be unhappy at their client undercutting them and their strategy.

I really hope you listen to the oral arguments on this..you will see he is right that trump should have kept his mouth shut


79 posted on 06/06/2017 7:57:46 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: RummyChick
The ultimate client in this case is the public. Sides are drawn. The courts are against the travel ban, and the public is split. It's the court's turn to vote, and justify it in writing.

The lawyers, if they are any good, will deal with reality using strong argument and tempered rhetoric. The courts are going to do what they want, regardless.

From their reactions, I take it that Trump's critics find that his tweets affect the outcome in SCOTUS. But that doesn't bother them as much as the fact that he tweeted. Weak, pathetic defense. I'd fire them too. Pussies.

80 posted on 06/06/2017 7:57:52 AM PDT by Cboldt
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