Posted on 05/20/2017 6:27:04 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Supporters of making California an independent nation are beginning their second longshot attempt to recruit voters by submitting a new proposed ballot measure.
The measure being submitted to state officials Friday by the separatist California Freedom Coalition takes a more gradual approach than one withdrawn by an earlier group last month.
It would have the governor negotiate with the federal government to give California more autonomy as what supporters call a "nation within a nation." Or the talks could eventually lead to full independence.
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The federal government, particularly the Department of the Interior, consistently speaks of its lands as the common heritage of all Americans for all Americans to enjoy. I will take them for their word on that. The federal government owns and controls those lands. As a federal taxpayer whose contributions go to support and preserve those lands and monuments, I do have a claim on those places as mine, just as any other taxpaying citizen has.
I would be more sympathetic to your points, and especially how California can and should pay for the lands, if the left in California had been conducting themselves differently over the years. Their congressional delegation can take its fair share of the blame for the damage it has inflicted on the rest of the country from Washington. The California left clearly expects to have the final word on the outcome of presidential elections. They don’t mind monkeying with the electoral college and reduce the influence of much of the rest of the country to do so. So they didn’t get their way in the election and now they want to leave? If they are successful in leaving, I say let’s make it as painful as possible.
“The problem is California liberals have screwed over the entire state and the nation with corrupt presidents and corrupt judges.”
GHW Bush. Who refused to enforce the policing provisions in Reagan’s 1986 amnesty.
Clinton, who did the same as GHWB.
Jack Kemp, Bill Bennett, Texas Gov GW Bush who actively campaigned with illegal aliens against the California grassroots voters who passed Prop 187.
Federal Judge Mariana Pfaelzer, who single handedly struck down the 1994 Prop 187 with the approval of the aforementioned Republican Treason Lobby.
Governors Grey Davis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jerry Brown all of whom conspired with Judge Pfaelzer by not appealing her decision. It can still be appealed but none of the Treason Party Republicans will do it.
GW Bush again, still the Mexico First dimwit he was in 1994.
Obama, who was Dubya on steroids. He at least understood he was destroying the country via mass illegal immigration. The fool Dubya was, and I’m sure is, simply a fool. It seems to be a Bush family attribute.
The only thing that can possibly save California is mass deportation, and lots of it. California is loaded with illegals from all over the world, not just Mexico. They vote Left and our state government serves them. That’s why they have turned California into a Sanctuary State.
No President has been willing to enforce our immigration law. Trump is our last hope. There will not be another chance. If he fails, your states will be next. Count on it.
Not all of CA. The conservative counties in the North State want nothing to do with secession and detest the liberal ruling class in Sacramento.
The day California goes “independent” is the day it goes bankrupt as well.
That's probably what would happen. They would break away from the new country and rejoin the US - why couldn't they since the precedent would be set with CALEXIT - leaving the concentrated blue areas with nothing to sustain them.
California an independent nation = Cuba
Please, please, please........
I know what you mean. I am a bit conflicted about this issue.
States are there for a reason—and I am more prone to having the federal government stay out of a state unless it is for a specific Constitutional purpose.
There may have been a time for the feds to control large portions of Nevada, Utah, California, etc. The nation was expanding and citizens moving out there needed protection.... but why should DC get to tell the people of Alaska, etc. what can be done on their land now?
Generally speaking, I agree with you. But the policy of federal land ownership, for better or worse, is longstanding. The left overwhelmingly supports that policy. I am not above using it against them. “Politics is war by other means.”
I would be open to revising federal land ownership policies, but now it is what it is.
I understand. Good points.
Nope. Some of it is siphoned off for San Diego. The majority goes to San Bernadino county from the Parker Dam at Lake Havasu Az.
According to Chief Executive magazine, California has the worst business climate in the country, a distinction that it has held for some time.
LA is already Third World. Mayor Riordan cleaned it up in the 1990's, but today, it's back where it was at the end of the Tom Bradley administration in 1993, with "homeless" camping everywhere.
Even parts of "blue" counties such as eastern San Bernardino and Riverside County and northern Los Angeles County are solidly "red." Should California secede, people in these areas might very well stage an uprising seeking to remain in the Union. And since a lot of these people are gun owners, California could be in for a nasty civil war.
For decades, many in the northern counties--Shasta, Siskiyou, Modoc, etc.--have wanted to form a new state called Jefferson. Perhaps some of the "red" counties farther south--Kings, Kern, Inyo, Tulare, etc. could break away and form a new state called Coolidge.
Who will they feed off of?
Democrats are doing it for vote. The Bush’s have always seemed like RINO’s in discuses in many of their polices. George W Bush was better than his father but both of them embraced immigration policies that weakened the party.
I agree the federal court as appointed by theses lawless loonitics has for the last 50 years even before them since FDR packed it been the greatest threat to american liberty and prosperity.
I suspect if the court even over turned that lawless edict today California voters roles have been so packed by theses aliens that it is likely the proposition would be over turned.
I dont even think we could deport enough of theses people to change that fact. The fact is since theses policies started replacing the population of the state with a forign one hostile to American interest there have been many unassimulation generations.
And wait until the bill comes due. How much debt does the state have?
Right on!
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