Posted on 05/08/2017 7:13:25 AM PDT by Olog-hai
There is an easy way to find out if the people are ready to give away sovereignty: Let them vote. We are not speaking about superior powers and client states. One man or woman is one vote. We are happy about those who go if they do not want further integration like the Brits. We need referendums everywhere. But then we need to overcome the old BS of weak little nations among those who want to go this way.
The times are a changing. Contempoary Germany has nothing to do with the Germany of the 30ties. Socialism is something relative. The German way of socialism (as Americans would define it), the social market economy seems to be a recipie for success. The average German is far more productive than the average American i.e. It is not Germany that is unable to produce competitive products, it is the US. that imports 0,734 Trillion $ more than it exports. After you guys slowly gave up your industrial base since the 70ties you also gave up knowlege and abillity. When President Trump spoke about buying American there was roaring laughter among economists on our side of the big pond. There is no technical American product that is really “American”, since much of its parts came from Europe or China due to your impotence to make it yourselves.
If we would stop exporting some basic parts (parts of modern fuel injection pumps i.e.) from Europe you would be unable to produce motors for machines and cars for quite a long time in example. You guys are even unable to inject your delinquents in the death row to death if we do not deliver you the poison for humanitarian reasons.
Ireland had a number of referendums, but the process has always been suspect to me.
And why is it a good thing to want to give away sovereignty anyhow, even if seemingly willingly at the level of the people? Nobody truly wants to give away the sovereignty of their own land and become subjects or “citizens” of a foreign power. The Irish were tricked into it FWICS; very few know the ramifications of their own Third Amendment (voted on by referendum back in 1972) and they actually think they are still an independent nation.
Not even the Germans are fond of the EU and would prefer their prosperity came a different way; they want the Deutsche mark back, and I don’t think that anyone at the level of the people wants to engage in building an empire within Europe.
Nobody sane wants the Deutsche Mark back.
Why can it be good to give away some soverreignty? Big structures are effective small structures are not. That is quite simple. BTW the people do not give away all their sovereignty, but they slip into a bigger and therefore different country. That is all.
Furthermore we do not want to build an Empire or a 4.Reich. We want a free Europe with so called regions that keep their singularity. Most of the power shall be concentrated in those regions, only foreign policy and millitary policy is a matter of a central gouvernment. Do not forget that Germans and Austrians adopted the principle of ferderal states from the US after WWII. We Europeans learned from the past.
No. We are not interested in colonies, in racist insanity, war, or death and decay. We simply want to make things better.
Follow this link for some of the recent pro-euorpean demonstrations. This is quite a large movement on our side of the big pond: https://www.google.de/search?q=proeurop%C3%A4ische+demonstrationen&rlz=1C1MDNE_deDE484DE484&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWt7qbm4bUAhWEuxQKHf_PAAcQsAQIRA&biw=1366&bih=700
Other than that, I don't have much to say on this subject. I did two tours in Germany and hated every minute of my exposure to the superior-acting and oh-so-politically correct Europeans.
I'm not worried about your socialism anymore though ... you'll be under Sharia law before I pass on and I hope to be able to see, from afar, the suffering and torture that you people undergo.
Believe it or not, I am a quite conservative person. Since I am no American I see myself as a guest here anyway as you can see in my screen name. Of course I am sorry that you obviously ended with some idiots showing you Germany. Europeans are not superior people and political correctness is a pain in the ass anyway.
Why will we do not have “Sharia” law in Germany or elsewhere in Europe? In Germany we have to deal with 4.4% Muslims in the moment. Their reproduction rate is slightly higher than the reproduction rate of native christian Germans. The funny thing is that Muslim women learn about the pill and how to use it quite fast from their christian sisters. Most of these Muslims are Turks. Most of them are harmless and decent people. Some of them are indeed a problem. Espechially Turkish nationalists and the friends of the Turkish president Erdogan are difficult. Nevertheless they are not in a decisive position. They are the underdogs in our society. They work as garbage collectors or in greengroceries. They can be difficult people but they are absolutely not in a position to project power.
The European Commission’s top economists warned the politicians in the 1990s that the euro might not survive a crisis, at least in its current form. There is no EU treasury or debt union to back it up. The one-size-fits-all regime of interest rates caters badly to the different needs of Club Med and the German bloc.The vast majority of Germans did not want the euro currency and want the Deutsche mark back even now. Are the vast majority of Germans insane?
The euro fathers did not dispute this. But they saw EMU as an instrument to force the pace of political union. They welcomed the idea of a “beneficial crisis”. As ex-Commission chief Romano Prodi remarked, it would allow Brussels to break taboos and accelerate the move to a full-fledged EU economic government. …
— Daily Telegraph, 10/01/2008
Why do we have the Euro? It was the price that Mitterand wanted from Kohl for his “yes” to the reunification of Germany. We all know that. The funktional fault of the Euro is that it is used by 19 different countries with different fiskal systems. To make it work we need one fiskal system in Europe. That is quite easy to understand.
Yes, Germans dismissed the Euro until 2015. Since they found out that Merkel rejected Eurobonds 2/3 are in favor for the Euro.
http://www.heute.de/politbarometer-mehrheit-findet-euro-gut-46076454.html
I am aware that this has nothing to do with democracy so far. Therefore we have to change that.
If you have read my text you would have read about the idea of regions and the federal states. We only want centralisation in foreign and millitary matters. Socialism in the european (Karl Marx) definition doesn’t play a role anymore since a long long time. Of course we want a full fleged EU economic gouvernment. After the political change in Washington your gouvernment asked European gouvernments for bilateral talks about matters that are only represented by the EU. The answer you guys got was everywhere the same: Ask Brussels.
One link: https://www.thelocal.de/20170307/germany-rebuffs-us-attempt-to-start-trade-talks-saying-speak-to-eu
Further we need a EU of 2 different speeds. The north is able to integrate, the south even has to bail out of the Euro. It was i.e. a bad idea to let Greece within the Euro. It will be difficult but we are going to make it.
Regards
Andreas
You do realize that the US philosophy espoused on this site is that of the original intent of the US Constitution with respect to federalism, I hope? That means the rights of each state and of the people are paramount versus a highly-centralized and bureaucratized “federal” government in Washington DC, which the left in the USA has pushed us towards for many decades. The imperialism of the EU is regarded as an anathema and a danger to the original intent for the USA, along with its social market economy and its hawkish outlook towards a EU military. Even Fabian and Fabian-like routes to socialism are intended to end with the Marxian model.
And frankly, the “two-speed” model for “Europe”, which has been pushed for a long time by the elites (meaning that was most likely their plan all along), will turn out to be a far less free version, with the “bigger” states accruing more power than they have held for a long time and the “smaller” states reduced to vassals. Observe the emerging foreign policy very carefully.
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