Posted on 04/29/2017 1:06:26 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
You have already been outed for FAKE NEWS. Please provide sources.
You might try the ones scientifically documenting his medical studies. I’m not referencing whatever political views he espoused - I am referring to the fact that he did Oppenheim a favor in producing sufficient supplies of Plutonium on short notice, that he helped discover plutonium and the government agency in charge of managing nuclear materials back then asked Gofman to apply his medical prowess (he was a respected doctor) to the study of the biological effects of radiation on human health. He did so and he found something they hadn’t anticipated - it was harmful. He explained that it was impossible to produce the kind of perfection needed to safely contain radioactive material and they stripped him and his colleagues of their labs and equipment and they denigrate him to this day.
His credentials for nuclear research and medicine were and still are impeccable - that’s why he had the access he had, why they asked him to be the one to conduct the research. And he said in his book that while it was true his knowledge of radiation and medicine helped him argue more effectively against the nuke lobby, everyone had access to sufficient information to tell them that radiation was harmful and the the nuke lobby would never respond to reason because they like the power they have and they will never give it up.
“I am referring to the fact that he did Oppenheim a favor in producing sufficient supplies of Plutonium on short notice, that he helped discover plutonium “
Where do you get these stories?
“He explained that it was impossible to produce the kind of perfection needed to safely contain radioactive material “
The why was he keeping a stash of plutonium?
“His credentials for nuclear research and medicine were and still are impeccable -”
And yet his calculations were so wrong ...
We learn the following:
HERBERT L. ABRAMS, Stanford University, Stanford, CA [deceased Jan 2016 at the age of 95] research interests were "nuclear weapons fuel and proliferation; effects of nuclear weapons; presidential disablility; biological effects of low-level radiation" - Sounds like he was a sound physician, but his politics leaned so far left that he bent over double.
ROBERT L. ULLRICH, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO chairman of the Radiation Effects Foundation with the objective to conduct research and studies for peaceful purposes on medical effects of radiation and associated diseases in humans, with a view to contributing to maintenance of the health and welfare of the atomic bomb (A-bomb) survivors and to enhancement of the health of all humankind
Or, Professor Dr. Albrecht M. Kellerer - author of a study on fast neutron fluences from the Atom Bomb explosions in Hiroshiam and Nagasaki.
Or PATRICIA A. BUFFLER, University of California, Berkeley, CA [deceased September, 2013) principal investigator in U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) studies of the role of prenatal and early life exposures to carcinogens in the development of leukemia and was supported by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
Or Katherine E. Rowan professor of communications at the center for climate change communication at George Mason University
And so it goes. One might detect a certain political center of mass in this.
Oh horseshit. The effect of radiation on health is broadly acknowledge in the nuclear industry and the nuclear weapons establishment. Processes and procedures to control exposures and spread of contamination are incredibly strict and cumbersome. The issue is that there is a point of view that thinks that it can create the evidentiary body that will shut it all down.
These are the folks that negotiated the regime in North Korea that gave us an out of control nuclear armed dictator while limiting the tools in Trump's arsenal to those that will visit a nuclear holocaust not just on the government and military of NK but innocent civilians as well.
It isn't just that these folks are lying slandering swindling idiots. We have plenty of them. It's the international consequences of this idiocy that should alarm all Americans.
This is historical revisionism. He was Seaborg's graduate student and it was Seaborg who led the team that did this.
You are just a liar. Government labs (e.g. Lawrence Livermore lab) collected those kinds of samples as a matter of priority and reported them as a matter of urgency to the emergency ops center set up in Washington DC. We had military aircraft also flying in the vicinity of Fukishima collecting those samples and having them analyzed.
You are pathetic. You don't even need money to do those studies. Many institutions already own the nuclear instrumentation required. You go outside, collect a sample of dirt, or sniff the air, or collect the sea water, and you put the sample in the instrument and count it. Now what you need to have had is a good supply of pre-Fukushima samples to compare it to so that you can subtract off the pre-existing natural background - which is a bit of an issue.
But stop lying and misleading.
Like I said, I don't actually care much which side is right in this argument, but it needs to be argued on the basis of science, not swindle, slander, and oh woe is my, the pro-nuclear government lobby cut my finding (I live in DC. 96% of us voted against Trump. The pro-nuclear anything is not in ascendancy here, believe me).
Well Fukushima is over there dumping it’s three nuclear cores into the atmosphere and ocean right now and Chernobyl is killing people today just as it was decades ago, explosions/fires in underground nuclear waste facilities - it seems like it’s not under control, right. So it seems like he was correct. The fight over the LNT theory is largely waged because nuclear power plants are legally allowed to routinely “off-gas” radioactive gas. So if LNT is acknowledged as bad, then nuclear power plants are harming human health.
Here’s one of the findings that managed to make it to the public
Here’s a quote:
“Studies looked at rates of various cancers in people living close to Trawsfynydd, Bradwell and Hinkley Point power stations
At the Welsh plant breast cancer rates were five times higher than expected
At Bradwell and Hinkley Point they were twice as high as UK average
Researchers warned their ‘very clear’ findings are ‘remarkable’ “
They are remarkable for having seen the light of day. Most such studies are suppressed long before that.
Define “broadly.” The industry has set limits of exposure per year and defends itself against medical claims that workers file by counter claiming that there’s a safe limit.
How about an article from the National Library of Medicine?
Beryllium’s Public Relations Problem: Protecting Workers
“n a dramatic announcement on a national television news magazine in April 2000, Bill Richardson, Secretary of the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), acknowledged that his agency collaborated with the beryllium industry to defeat a 1975 attempt by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) to reduce workers’ exposure to beryllium, a collaboration that was brought to public attention in a 1999 investigation by Toledo Blade reporter Sam Roe.1 “Priority one was production of our nuclear weapons,” Richardson stated. “[The] last priority was the safety and health of the workers that build these weapons.”2”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2099330/
Public Health Rep. 2008 Jan-Feb; 123(1): 79–88.
doi: 10.1177/003335490812300112
PMCID: PMC2099330
David Michaels, PhD, MPH and Celeste Monforton, MPH
Maybe the extra dose killed off a budding cancer and saved his life.....
Brings up the old joke:
PATIENT: "Doctor, they took a hundred x-rays of me yesterday, what seems to be the problem?"
DOCTOR: "Frankly, it appears to be radiation poisoning."
Lent is the regulatory standard. What are the you arguing about or for?
Ok you are here spouting anti-nuclear nonsense and advocating keeping research funding flowing for the fake-science EPA crowd. Can't deal with one of the world's problems, you raise all of the world's problems.
Your friends are the genius's who landed us with the NK mess, believing that we could counter the sick monster by negotiating the right kinds of papers with him.
You and your friends have a lot to answer for. An awful lot. You fantasies about unicorns have made your community of communities a laughing stock.
Really? Now you resort to hyperbole.
And again. There is no one who argues that radiation does not maim or kill people. The Dr. Strangelove Crowd loves the bomb because that is exactly what it does.
sorry about the delay in response.
i don’t think there’s much disagreement between you and me (and thus i hope God) on the on the value of true science, perhaps we have a disagreement on what science is?
i’ve already admitted and am happy to admit that the universe and everything in it is limited or constrained by God’s laws, physical and spiritual. after all, all man’s discoveries are just derivatives of what God already created. i simply urge you to keep an open mind as to the miracles that our possible under God and to be sure your self-imposed limits and those you accept from man’s authority are real. for instance, there are many eyewitness accounts, anecdotal to be sure, about feats of super human strength done when heavy objects had to be moved under emergency.
in terms of the article which first attracted me to this thread, i really liked the guy. the quotes show him to be funny, humble and willing to poke fun at his own hard work for the gov’t. that is a characteristic of good scientists doing good science. so when i have time, i think i will go to an original paper of this physicist and read and read on the hope of discovering something of value in this work. thus you see i am perfectly willing to use “my God given brain” and open it to scientific research. my judgment and trust on said research, originating from the mind of man is always reserved, however.
You are right. We really do agree more than I may have said
#1 He also gained super human strength and speed and was suspected of having x-ray vision as he always stared at pretty girls when they were around him......
The equipment in that photo could be used in movies starring mad scientists.
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