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To: Yosemitest
The truth is that Ted Cruz in a personal meeting with Donald Trump in the White House made clear the possibilities of reforming Obamacare along conservative lines by employing reconciliation. The problem for Trump was that he has a different vision of national healthcare, he wants to keep all of the goodies of Obamacare, such as pre-existing conditions, yet provide reduced premiums, reduced partial pays, reduced contributions which is simply not arithmetically possible. This is how he campaigned but it is impossible as president to mathematically square that circle.

So Trump backed Ryancare and was humiliated along with Ryan. He alienated the base and betrayed weakness. He could have at least lived up to the expectations of the people who voted for him, the people who voted against him are very unlikely to be mollified with half measures like Ryan care.

If Trump had used reconciliation with respect to reforming Obama care, he might today be in better shape with respect to financing the wall. Unfortunately, reports coming from the AP and elsewhere indicate that he is following the same course with respect to funding the building of the wall as he did with respect to reforming Obamacare.

If he is unwilling to go to the wall (shameless pun intended) on either of the two major issues in his campaign, when will he?

At some point Trump has got to look like Ronald Reagan when he fired the FAA controllers. Trump must at some point risk a loss. I believe that if he suffers a defeat at the hands of Rinos and Democrats he will at least be credited with the effort but now those who supported him are already scrambling to rationalize yet another climbdown.


4 posted on 04/25/2017 3:41:07 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
"He (they) could have at least lived up to the expectations of the people who voted for him (them)"

What a quaint notion...

5 posted on 04/25/2017 3:46:09 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: nathanbedford
Being a retired air traffic controller myself,
and one who was on duty in the control tower at Seymour Johnson AFB, NC
and who watched all the aircraft the FAA sent to pick up one fourth of our controllers and fly them out with a 2 hour notice to 'pack a TDY bag and get on the plane'
to go to work in the FAAs TRACONS and Towers, I understand,
AND I AGREE !


BUT 'reconciliation' with the DemocRATS, who are 'at war' with TRUMP and the Republicans, ...
and with the RINOs and "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS", who will 'torpedo' Trump any way they can, ... 'reconciliation' is IMPOSSIBLE !
'Reconciliation' was IMPOSSIBLE from the very start of the 2017 Congress.
7 posted on 04/25/2017 4:05:35 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: nathanbedford
Trump ... has a different vision of national healthcare, he wants to keep all of the goodies of Obamacare

It is absurd to address the spending side aka keep all of the goodies until the cost side is addressed. No plan, not current ACA, nor Ryancare I, nor Ryancare II, nor pre-ACA nor any plan can work until the things driving up cost are addressed.

9 posted on 04/25/2017 4:07:37 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: nathanbedford

He said Canada treats us unfairly on trade and is going to impose a 20 percent tax on lumber according to trey yingst.

Oh and when asked whether daca was illegal ...he said wait to see how many ms-13 criminals we deport.


12 posted on 04/25/2017 4:42:37 AM PDT by RummyChick (can we switch Don,Jr for Prince Kush and his flak jacket. From Yacht Party to Warzone ready to wear.)
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To: nathanbedford

If Trump had used reconciliation with respect to reforming Obama care, he might today be in better shape with respect to financing the wall. Unfortunately, reports coming from the AP and elsewhere indicate that he is following the same course with respect to funding the building of the wall as he did with respect to reforming Obamacare.


Trump is not a dictator. He has to convince enough people to go along with what he wants to get done. Fortunately, he is very good at doing that.

He is learning, and I expect the next effort will be much better than what happened the first go around. That bill and pushing it did much to show who was supporting what, and why.

We will be finding out what is in the improved plan shortly.


13 posted on 04/25/2017 4:45:29 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: nathanbedford
The Trump bashers are out in force this morning.

If Trump had used reconciliation with respect to reforming Obama care, he might today be in better shape with respect to financing the wall.

Reforming Obamacare, i.e., mend it, don't end it, is the wrong way to go. This huge, complex program must be removed like a cancer or it will grow back again when a Dem wins the WH.

The wall will be built, whether it funded in part now or in September. I have no doubt of it.

Trump tweet this morning: Don't let the fake media tell you that I have changed my position on the WALL. It will get built and help stop drugs, human trafficking etc.

I believe that if he suffers a defeat at the hands of Rinos and Democrats he will at least be credited with the effort but now those who supported him are already scrambling to rationalize yet another climbdown.

No one is going to credit him with the effort. He has not alienated his base. According to one poll, only 2% of his supporters regret their vote for him. The Dems are bent on obstructing everything he does. They are not going to be swayed into supporting anything he does. Their base won't allow it. It is not time to panic. Trump is doing fine and he will persevere.

21 posted on 04/25/2017 6:36:53 AM PDT by kabar
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