[jmacusa]

What the f is wrong with you? The South opened fire on Ft. Sumter. In effect it declared war against the United States. Lincoln had constitutional authority to put down an armed insurrection. “Invasion’’ my ass! You know, you're being made a fool of here up and down this thread. if you had any self respect you'd shut up.

[DiogenesLamp]

What the f is wrong with you? The South opened fire on Ft. Sumter. In effect it declared war against the United States. Lincoln had constitutional authority to put down an armed insurrection. “Invasion’’ my ass! You know, you're being made a fool of here up and down this thread. if you had any self respect you'd shut up.

I can read the facts myself, and I don't need your spin on what is the demonstrable truth.

The British Kingdom was over a thousand years old at the time the United States seceded from it. If the principles avowed by the Declaration could break that compact, no lesser bond of a mere "four score and seven years" could morally hold them.

They had a right to secede, and AMERICANS would have recognized their right to live their lives in peace and without interference. Horace Greeley did, ("let the erring sisters depart in peace") as did many others of that time.

Americans cheered the independence of France when it started. Lincoln himself cheered the independence of Texas from Mexico. Massachusetts threatened to seceded in the 1830s. This way of seeing things was the norm of that era until it upset the rice bowls of the rich and powerful.

Thereafter they created the false claim that people did not have a right to independence from their control, and we have been fighting these people ever since.

They rule in Washington this very day. They are the power brokers we call "The Establishment", which is a coalition of Government and monied interests in a "crony capitalist" cartel.

And it started around 1860.