Posted on 04/24/2017 5:49:29 AM PDT by rktman
New Orleans officials removed the first of four prominent Confederate monuments early Monday, the latest Southern institution to sever itself from symbols viewed by many as a representation racism and white supremacy.
The first memorial to come down was the Liberty Monument, an 1891 obelisk honoring the Crescent City White League.
Workers arrived to begin removing the statue, which commemorates whites who tried to topple a biracial post-Civil War government in New Orleans, around 1:25 a.m. in an attempt to avoid disruption from supporters who want the monuments to stay, some of whom city officials said have made death threats.
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Confederate monuments are participation trophies for old folks.
That is "f***ed up several kinds of ways. So basically the statement is still true, that slavery existed longer in the Union than it did in the Confederacy.
Kinda blows a big hole in "the War was fought over slavery" narrative. As i've said before, it was fought so Washington D.C. could maintain economic control over the South's money and trade.
The North invaded the South in 1861. Right dude. In your universe.
How was that hostile? As commander at Moultrie, Anderson could take whatever steps he thought necessary to protect his forces. Burning the gun carriages was no threat to Charleston or its population.
Since the Confederacy was never really an independent, sovereign nation then your statement is basically correct.
Kinda blows a big hole in "the War was fought over slavery" narrative.
Depends on which side you're referring to. For the North, it was not over slavery. For the South, it was.
As i've said before, it was fought so Washington D.C. could maintain economic control over the South's money and trade.
So you keep saying. I'm mildly surprised that you haven't hauled out that tariff collection picture of yours.
If anyone doesn’t like being stereotyped all they have to do is live a life that DISPROVES it. If the negatives are true I’d own them or change them.
Even more important, if people get along just fine, why would they ever want to vote for Democrats?
And your point here is what?
You may remember a famous Civil War cavalry officer, had a big day at Gettysburg in 1863, George Custer... how did he end up?
MY POINT IS THE CIVIL WAR WAS NOT JUST A SOUTHERN SLAVERY THING!
You have it backward. The Union did everything they could to destroy the CSA. They ultimate goal of the CSA was to co-exist with the USA. But the Goon and his henchmen would have none of that.
your self righteous arrogance is showing, as well as your ignorance.
You are out of your mind.
Last thread it was "stalemate" this time "co-exist", but neither is accurate.
In fact, what the Confederates wanted was to grab off as many USA states & territories as possible.
In addition to the original eleven CSA states (one-third of all USA states), Confederates claimed two more (Missouri & Kentucky), sent Confederate armies into five more plus two territories (Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Oklahoma & New Mexico) and ran guerilla operations in at least four more (Colorado, California, Kansas & Vermont).
Bottom line: what you call "co-exist" or "stalemate" Confederates wished to achieve only after they had effectively destroyed the United States.
You are an idiot. From minute one the CSA was in survival mode. The USA, while fighting a war in the South, built and equipped the largest Army in the world, managed to build the inter continental railroad and the westward expansion continued unabated. There was no threat to the USA, ever. It was just smaller but still expanding and getting more powerful day by day.
People who live in glass insane asylums shouldn’t throw stones. Propping up another nation while occupying the same property would have resulted in an existential threat to the united States even if the confeds had actually acted as though they “just wanted to be left alone”.
They set themselves as enemy combatants to The United States with evil intentions and their ability to finish what they started (or not in this case) was irrelevant.
DiogenesLamp: "You keep saying that, but this is factually incorrect.
According to the North, Slavery wasn't under any threat, so your claim doesn't even make sense on the face of it. "
In fact, Deep South Fire Eaters were not in the least reluctant to record that they declared secession in order to protect slavery, which they believed was under threat by "Ape" Lincoln and his Black Republicans.
Republicans at the time said they did not threaten slavery, in the South, only in those western territories which didn't want it.
Constitutionally, that's all they could do.
War began because secessionists in early 1861 demanded military action, if necessary to remove Union troops from Union Fort Sumter, and by April 12 Jefferson Davis decided a military assault was necessary and so ordered it.
Some people argue that Fort Sumter did not begin Civil War, after all, no one was killed in battle.
But people at the time North and South understood that Civil War began at Fort Sumter.
Here are examples of newspaper reports after Fort Sumter's surrender:
Point is: in early 1861 there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Deep South slave-holders declared secession to protect slavery and that Civil War started at Fort Sumter.
You are f-ing insane.
I imagine that from your side of the bars everyone looks insane. I notice that even your lost cause comrades don’t share your POV.
Telling
Both sides knew that the South's chance of holding off an invasion were slim from the beginning-day one.
You know what? The people of the South didn't need saving save for the Union that was doing just fine; their Army and Lincoln were pretty terrifying for a "destroyed" Union.
“fascist thug”? Is that supposed to be a good thing or a bad thing? The reason I ask is because anti-American pieces of shyt are going around calling patriots like me “fascists”.
LOL
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