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United Airlines Was Right, and Its Numerous Critics Wrong
RCM ^ | 04/18/2017 | John Tamney

Posted on 04/18/2017 11:54:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Fantasywriter

Sure he would. DAMAGE CONTROL. People lie in press conferences all the time. What Dao did was a belligerent act, it was the most basic of all belligerent acts: failure to comply. And nothing you or Munoz says will change that simple fact as well documented in the dictionary.


141 posted on 04/18/2017 2:48:29 PM PDT by discostu (Stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive.)
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To: ltc8k6
"United will say they had nothing to do with the security guards who showed up, and no choice."

And once the laughter dies down, Dao's attorney will ask if they were not expected to physically remove Dao, why were they called? Maybe United thought they'd employ the department approved 'pretty please, with sugar on top'?

We'll never know though because UAL has admitted they were completely in the wrong.

142 posted on 04/18/2017 2:55:57 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: dancusa

“Fed regs give airlines no flexibilty on a deal.

They have a federal regulation on the max payout. 800 dollars?”

There are no federal maximums on the payout for overbooking. There are guidelines as to the minimum a bumped passenger is entitled to. In any case, this was not an overbooking situation.


143 posted on 04/18/2017 2:59:54 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Right or wrong I hope their stock tanks and long shot of long shots UAL goes bankrupt and its assets get sold to other companies. UAL lost my luggage three times and flat out stole my bag one of those times. Wife confirmed they had the bag and knew where it was. UAL sent me a letter explaining that their legal department said UAL had no liability so I would not get my bag back or compensation. Flying in the cheap seats on UAL after one or two long flights is an exercise in Masochism.


144 posted on 04/18/2017 3:02:17 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: SteveO87

I am all for him seeing as I am unable to stick it to UAL myself.


145 posted on 04/18/2017 3:04:03 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: discostu

Cannot even begin to agree with you. When the CEO goes public to say a passenger had every right to be in the seat the airline sold him, that’s game, set and match.


146 posted on 04/18/2017 3:27:11 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: PGR88
I still don’t understand though why United doesn’t give its local managers a bit more flexibility to offer higher rewards, to entice that last passenger to get off the plane....

While I agree the government should not be involved, as soon as passengers realize they can hold out for more credit/money, they will hold out for more.

147 posted on 04/18/2017 3:36:44 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Fantasywriter

Doesn’t matter if you agree with me. Press conferences are NOT admissible in court because they are 100% meaningless in the legal arena. Functionally they are hearsay, the person is not under oath and can say whatever they want. If it actually gets to court NEITHER of his press conferences will be presented because they have no legal meaning. Long established legal fact, stuff said away from the court and not during an investigative interview is just stuff, it has no meaning.


148 posted on 04/18/2017 3:37:18 PM PDT by discostu (Stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive.)
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To: discostu

The case has almost no possibility of going to trial. Odds are enormous that United will settle.

In the meantime, the CEO of United is publicly exonrating Dao. You don’t like what he said, but that changes nothing. The argument that Munoz has no idea what he’s talking about would just be lame. He was briefed by United lawyers before appearing on GMA.


149 posted on 04/18/2017 3:51:59 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught owith pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: donna
I would obey the law and leave the plane.

I respect private property.


Interesting. Do you respect contract law? Because that is what is at play here. The exchange of money for a service (and a seat) was a contract between Dao and the airline. The question at hand is whether United violated the terms of that contract by demanding that Dao leave AFTER he had already boarded. I say again, they may have violated the contract simply by demanding that Dao leave, regardless of the events that occurred upon his forced removal. This is what will determine the outcome of the lawsuit, and from what I've seen so far, United will lose and lose big.
150 posted on 04/18/2017 4:08:39 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: SteveO87
Clearly the guy was planning a lawsuit from the beginning.

Even if this were true, as the saying goes, "You can't cheat an honest man."
151 posted on 04/18/2017 4:12:11 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Cboldt
I bet they pay their lawyers more to defend this case, than they end up paying Dao.

I HATE Illinois lawyers!


I mean Nazis...No wait... Lawyers are worse!

152 posted on 04/18/2017 4:16:16 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: fr_freak
I was going to compose a reply but then realized I had the perfect quote on my profile. Here it is:

A society's first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. These behavioral norms, mostly transmitted by example, word-of-mouth and religious teachings, represent a body of wisdom distilled over the ages through experience and trial and error. They include important thou-shalt-nots such as shalt not murder, shalt not steal, shalt not lie and cheat, but they also include all those courtesies one might call ladylike and gentlemanly conduct.

Policemen and laws can never replace these restraints on personal conduct. At best, the police and criminal justice system are the last desperate line of defense for a civilized society. This failure to fully transmit value norms to subsequent generations represents another failing of the greatest generation.
- Walter E. Williams, Nov. 21, 2007


153 posted on 04/18/2017 5:20:09 PM PDT by donna (God's standards, like it or not, are the basis for the laws that led to western civilization.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Nope. They still lose. They can’t plan well. They made assumptions. They forcibly removed a paying customer because of their lack of foresight.

Emotions don’t play a part in any of those statements. However, since we are not robots, I saw the pictures and concluded, Thank God for Southwest, my preferred carrier.


154 posted on 04/18/2017 6:14:55 PM PDT by 1scrappymom (No, I am not a Republican. I am a CONSERVATIVE. PROUD ARMY MOM)
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To: Fantasywriter
The CEO of United agrees with you.

The weird thing is that the above is apparently true.

155 posted on 04/18/2017 7:44:37 PM PDT by zeugma (The Brownshirts have taken over American Universities.)
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To: SeekAndFind

46,000 people almost don’t exist?

Far more likely than winning the lottery.


156 posted on 04/18/2017 8:36:21 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: discostu
Press conferences are NOT admissible in court because they are 100% meaningless in the legal arena.

If FaceBook and YouTube are admissible, then so are statements made at a press conference.

157 posted on 04/18/2017 9:19:17 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Stupid article

This was not overbooking -- the airline checked him in, put his ass on a seat and then discovered "Oh, we need to shove off 4 paying passengers to replace with OUR EMPLOYEES" and offered them vouchers, not real money to get off.

158 posted on 04/18/2017 11:06:27 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: livius
well, in many cases, this is handled at the terminal

That is bad, but letting a person sit down makes it worse.

You and I would be inclined to agree if we're still in the terminal -- we won't like it, but we'd be more likely to agree than if we were actually sitting on the seat.

159 posted on 04/18/2017 11:07:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: GraceG

The airline offered vouchers for another flight on UNited — if you got bumped off, would you want that? If they offered cold, hard cash, more people would have jumped.


160 posted on 04/18/2017 11:08:43 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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