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United shows it considers its passengers expendable
Daily Sun ^ | 4/12/2017 | Michael Hiltzik

Posted on 04/12/2017 8:51:15 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter

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To: Bayan

Spot on!


81 posted on 04/12/2017 10:18:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: oh8eleven

[I thought they still boarded passengers in groups ... although you could pay a fee and get to board early. That’s changed?]

Yes, they did board in groups. But at least when your group was called, you got to pick whatever was available.

I prefer the aisle seat so those were frequently available.


82 posted on 04/12/2017 10:22:06 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012 ("Be quiet... you are #fakenews!")
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
But at least when your group was called, you got to pick whatever was available.
That's not the same as being able to pick your seat when you make your reservation.
83 posted on 04/12/2017 10:27:52 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Mr. Douglas

Your statement is the first comment I have read that correctly identifies the germaine legal point. The fulfillment of the legal contract is satisfied by both parties when the passenger is seated. From that point the seat belongs to the paid customer for the duration of the flight. Unless there is a violation of rules for travel, the passenger is entitled to complete travel. The “bump” rule is applicable under law only prior to boarding. Think of it like this; a person enters into a contract to lease a home for a month. At anytime leading up to occupancy there may be a valid reason for the owner to cancel the contract. However, after the leasee occupies the home for the contracted period, the owner may not evict the leasee if no infraction of rules has occurred. IMHO.


84 posted on 04/12/2017 10:36:28 AM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: ilgipper; All
Hotels, airlines, car rentals, etc all book with potential for overage. Trips change, get cancelled, etc, and they have carefully crafted formulas to maximize revenue/occupancy/etc. Business traveller regularly change flights do to schedule changes, etc.

True (re: overage all thruout travel industry). But, as one blogger pointed out, you don't see a prominent hotel chain dragging a guy out of a room ("re-accommodate") in order to accommodate a hotel industry sales exec who just arrived & needs a room.

The airline industry expects travelers to plan their trips down to a "T"; they better do it themselves w/plans and contingency plans as to how they are going to shuttle their team members around...and this should be easiest to do when it comes to their Hub HQ city.

85 posted on 04/12/2017 10:38:56 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

That’s funny.


86 posted on 04/12/2017 10:42:58 AM PDT by carton253 (Jesus is everything.)
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To: Mr. Douglas

The good old days I remember was the late 70s & early 80s. $15 oneway between Dallas Love Field and Houston Hobby field no reservation needed. Of course that was on SoutWest.


87 posted on 04/12/2017 10:48:56 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Bayan

You bootlickers show up on every thread.


88 posted on 04/12/2017 10:55:41 AM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: Colofornian
The airline industry expects travelers to plan their trips down to a "T"; they better do it themselves w/plans and contingency plans as to how they are going to shuttle their team members around...and this should be easiest to do when it comes to their Hub HQ city.

Apparently the CEO negotiated a new contract last August with the airline workers' union, and gave them lots of goodies. Here's an interesting/ironic tidbit (in reference to the United/Continental merger) from an article about that:

"Without a union contract, United couldn't update and integrate the computers that schedule flights and crews’ schedules. They were running two separate scheduling systems. As a result, United had to build in costly extra trips to move planes and flight attendants around the country."

http://www.businessinsider.com/united-airlines-ceo-oscar-munoz-recovery-2017-2

89 posted on 04/12/2017 10:59:45 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Hulka

Many of the small regional jets do not have business or first class. I doubt this flight did.


90 posted on 04/12/2017 11:14:10 AM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: Rufii

Southwest did the same thing to me that United did. A few years back I bought four round trip tickets from San Antonio to Las Vegas. Keep in mind that I paid for these tickets four months in advance. I was traveling with my son, daughter-in-law, and grandson.

Everything was okay until our return trip. The return was a one stopper and change of planes at Phoenix. I should have known something was wrong as I couldn’t get a boarding pass for one of my party when we departed Las Vegas. Sure enough I was bumped from my flight from Phoenix to San Antonio. Seems someone in Phoenix had bought a ticket to San Antonio and was able to secure a boarding pass before we checked in at Las Vegas. I was livid.

I paid four months in advance and was on a return trip with a group of four and was bumped by someone who purchased a ticket the day before the flight. I was extremely upset but never made a threatening gesture nor did I raise my voice. I told the Southwest employee that this was a ridiculous turn of events. She said “Sir! This is the way it is and if it’s unacceptable to you I’ll get an security officer and perhaps he can persuade you.” Well, I finally relented. I took a later flight while the rest of my party traveled on without me. I finally got home after midnight. I’ve had a jaundiced view of Southwest ever since, even though they did pay for a meal at Phoenix and they paid me over $300.00 for my trouble. That made it a bit more palatable but I still maintain that it was shabby treatment indeed.


91 posted on 04/12/2017 11:16:05 AM PDT by donaldo
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To: crosdaddy

I meant has no value. The message in the post should not be missed.


92 posted on 04/12/2017 11:23:28 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

What I have not seen mentioned is the culpability of both the flight crew and the pilot in this incident.

The flight crew is supposed to be responsible for passenger safety in the cabin and the pilot has overall responsibility for passenger safety. This was done in clear view of the flight crew and no one even attempted to stop it and get emergency medical help for this passenger.

If the pilot did indeed order this person removed from the flight, he is also responsible for the actions taken to remove them. He should lose his pilot’s license over this in addition to being sued.


93 posted on 04/12/2017 11:23:45 AM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: JerryBlackwell

Then I won’t go. . .

;-)


94 posted on 04/12/2017 11:29:57 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: grania

Something called the “flat tire” rule. However, it’s always going to cost you 50-100 for the flight change.


95 posted on 04/12/2017 11:30:39 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I call Obama "osama" because he damaged us far more than Osama bin Ladin ever did.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

One thing I wondered about was, did they clean up the blood?

The guy had blood all over him. Surely some of it was on the seats, armrests, headrest, floor, seat legs, etc.

What about the guy/girl who had to sit in the bloody seat?


96 posted on 04/12/2017 11:43:25 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Hulka
The “doc” is a pervert criminal and immature third-world scum.

Maybe not =>

Per Twitter today: Media found the criminal records of one David Anh Duy Dao. The doctor on the plane was David Thanh Duc Dao.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3543469/posts?page=12#12

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Look up 'internet defamation'.

97 posted on 04/12/2017 11:51:55 AM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: fella

With the hot pants and free drinks?


98 posted on 04/12/2017 11:54:53 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I call Obama "osama" because he damaged us far more than Osama bin Ladin ever did.)
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To: Bayan

Oh really?
Explain what those character flaws were and how they justified this?


99 posted on 04/12/2017 12:01:25 PM PDT by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I have noticed both from talk shows and personal communication that pilots are highly vocal defending the actions of the airline, as if the plane becomes their own private concentration camp.


100 posted on 04/12/2017 12:03:43 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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