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To: Tench_Coxe; buffyt; Brad from Tennessee
"His defiant stand gave voice to a sentiment that would eventually provide legitimation for disobeying all forms of authority."

I subscribe to the thesis of this article, in fact, I have got into a rather serious row on these threads by declaring that without Martin Luther you would have no Thomas Jefferson and no Declaration of Independence. Please note the quoted sentence above contains the keyword "eventually" which makes the assertion historically accurate.

Luther was born into a world which was medieval that is, there was a strict hierarchy running from God to Pope and King, both of whom were divinely ordained and therefore bestowed with absolute authority, through the clergy and ultimately to the, surf. This hierarchical arrangement not only endorsed political authority but formed an epistemology which is very similar to Islam today. In addition to fixing in place an authoritarian political world, it shaped how man knew what he knew. Questions of morality and theology and even science were determined by deductive not inductive reasoning.

In other words, the world was flat because the authorities said so and they were to be believed because they were ordained by God. Compare that to the epistemology of jihad today which tells the zealot outlandish myths of 72 virgins or the idea that the present-day world is controlled by the will of Allah.

When Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the church door, he was not just attacking the excesses of the church he was attacking the source of its authority. He would substitute the Bible (Sola Scriptura ) for papal bull and faith (Sola fide) for indulgences. Once the source of authority of church over man and of King over man is so questioned, the Reformation and the Enlightenment could flourish.

That is why Thomas Jefferson would vest the right to overthrow a King as a right which comes directly to every man from "nature's God" bypassing both church and state hierarchy just as matters of conscience come from the same source, revolutionary concepts nailed to a church door and found sublime is not divine expression in the Declaration of Independence.


6 posted on 03/26/2017 12:48:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Yeah.

I saw this as quite a positive headline.

But this: “His defiant stand gave voice to a sentiment that would eventually provide legitimation for disobeying all forms of authority.” Seems too much.

All?

Maybe any, but not all. Recognizing the basis for authority and thus valid authority, and that there can be false or unearned forced authority are good thing.


7 posted on 03/26/2017 1:07:05 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: nathanbedford
without Martin Luther you would have no Thomas Jefferson and no Declaration of Independence.

You subscribe to the thesis of this article. So do I!

But I confess I'd never thought about that subject. Well chosen word, "subscribe." Well said!

9 posted on 03/26/2017 1:32:28 AM PDT by Ace's Dad (BTW, "Ace" is now Captain Ace. But only when I'm bragging about my son!)
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To: nathanbedford

Anna Freud (Sigmund’so daughter) wrote that the the period of reformation was the beginning of the empowerment of common man. Bibles were translated to common man’s language.


12 posted on 03/26/2017 2:26:01 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: nathanbedford

Keeping in mind that Israel had no king until they demanded one, and God described the desire for an earthly king as a rejection of His authority.

Leftists clamoring for ever more state power fall into the same curse that was placed on faithless Israel when she demanded a king. Ultimately it is all cost and no benefit.


16 posted on 03/26/2017 4:30:14 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: nathanbedford

Exactly. Luther’s religious ideas were translated into political ideas.

This is where “self governance” was born, where each man is a sovereign.


23 posted on 03/26/2017 5:05:06 AM PDT by djf ("She wore a raspberry beret, the kind you find in a second hand store..." - Prince)
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To: nathanbedford

Agreed. The USA would not exist without the notion of the sovereignty of the individual. Luther’s Theses meant nothing without that concept.


24 posted on 03/26/2017 5:05:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Understand the Left: "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the Revolution.")
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To: nathanbedford; Tench_Coxe; buffyt; Brad from Tennessee
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27 posted on 03/26/2017 5:25:40 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: nathanbedford

Nicely said, and I agree.


35 posted on 03/26/2017 6:52:40 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticides, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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