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'A sea of despair': White Americans without college degrees are dying younger
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 3/24/17 | Matt Pearce

Posted on 03/25/2017 10:53:22 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus

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To: Nero Germanicus

A more meaningful study would be:

Cable use
Video game use
Alcohol use
School attendance


21 posted on 03/25/2017 11:26:46 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Nero Germanicus

I bet this is fake news designed to push the “must go to college” meme. Everybody doesn’t need a college degree, evidenced by schools offering degrees in precoloumbian transexual studies, etc. Few snowflakes in vo-tech school.


22 posted on 03/25/2017 11:27:10 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Lorianne

I believe that was the case a few years ago; now employers know the piece of paper may have just been a freebie (particularly with “preferred minorities”. Nowadays I believe companies want to know what you CAN DO, not what your file of paperwork indicates. Of course, some jobs (police officer in many places, military officer) specifically require a piece of paper.

If college classes have been 60% female for years, what did they think was going to happen with the men that were denied access?


23 posted on 03/25/2017 11:33:11 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: bk1000

As it becomes more and more clear every day that our government will traffic Asians here for white-collar work, colleges are having a hard time convincing young people that a degree will ever pay off.

At this point, it is hard to convince young people that WORK will pay off...


24 posted on 03/25/2017 11:34:50 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Lorianne

There’s another aspect to “credentialism” that people ignore.

The most in-demand credentials in much of the labor market aren’t bachelor’s degrees, master’s or even associate’s. Many of the jobs that go unfilled require six months to a year of highly specialized training beyond high school and result in a certification or credential in fields like advanced manufacturing or cyber security.

Unfortunately, young Americans have been sold on the notion that you can’t be successful without a college degree. So, they borrow vast sums to finance a bachelor’s that has absolutely no market value, or they drop out of school and join the ranks at Starbucks.

I work in higher ed and every day I see scores of young people who would be infinitely better off in a certification, apprenticeship or credential program. Some eventually wind up there, but not nearly enough. The average individual working in the skilled trades is in their late 50s, and there’s going to be a huge shortage in the years ahead. Regrettably, a lot of 20-somethings (and their parents) can appreciate the opportunities that are available, because they worship at the altar of the college degree.

Here’s an example: a student can complete a Level I certification in Mechatronics (advanced manufacturing) in six to nine months. Starting pay is $45K, and most make $60,000 with overtime and full benefits. Go back to school for another six months for a Level II credential and your starting pay is $70K, creating the potential for $85-90K with overtime. Total bill for tuition, books and fees for the initial credential? Less than $4,000 in my state.

One more thing: the employers looking for individuals to fill these jobs aren’t playing the diversity game associated with the public sector, or white collar occupations. These firms are looking for someone who has the required credential and can do the job, regardless of race or gender.


25 posted on 03/25/2017 11:36:22 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: bk1000

What about Blacks with no college degree? Apples to apples please.


26 posted on 03/25/2017 11:41:26 AM PDT by HARRY TUTTLE (Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less. R. E. Lee)
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To: Timpanagos1

Getting ridiculous tattoos and making your face look like a pincushion don’t help your career prospects either.


27 posted on 03/25/2017 12:04:23 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: Persevero

When you get up in the morning, the person you see in the mirror is the biggest loser in the world. That’s true if you are Donald Trump or a janitor with an IQ of 70. What you do that day to make progress toward being a winner is all up to you.


28 posted on 03/25/2017 12:09:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: Timpanagos1
...drink in moderation, don’t jam a needle in your arm, don’t put a gun to your head and don’t get addicted to opioids.

That, keep your weight down, don't smoke, and do get a sufficient amount of exercise.

Do that, and you'll keep benefiting from continuing medical progress just like people have for decades.

T'aint hard.

29 posted on 03/25/2017 12:12:43 PM PDT by untenured
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To: Lorianne

I agree. Also we’re having to compete with the whole wide world labor pool for a job in the U.S. We’re having to compete with candidates from India and China for technician level jobs.


30 posted on 03/25/2017 12:14:29 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them.)
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To: Nero Germanicus

“Better go to indoctrination, er, college, or you’ll die young ( but only if you’re white).”

A veiled threat to get more tuition money from white people.

May be, but I will probably have had a happier life!


31 posted on 03/25/2017 12:17:40 PM PDT by FrankR (FULL REPEAL, OR NO DEAL)
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To: Nero Germanicus; windcliff

Thank God I have an AA.


32 posted on 03/25/2017 1:05:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Alberta's Child

“What you do that day to make progress toward being a winner is all up to you.”

Truly, to a large degree.

Someone with continual migraines, or severe emotional trauma, or chronic cancer, or whatever, there are some things you can’t “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.”

But for the most of us, there is always something we can do to improve ourselves if only a little. This stops when we start feeling like “victims.” I’ve had to fight that in my own life, and remind myself I am not a “victim,” at least not very often.


33 posted on 03/25/2017 1:09:35 PM PDT by Persevero
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To: Nero Germanicus

I wonder if decades of white women being in the labor force have influenced this? White men used to die younger than white women, has this changed?


34 posted on 03/25/2017 1:11:16 PM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Nero Germanicus

These are the same idiots that claim only uneducated white people vote for Trump.


35 posted on 03/25/2017 1:16:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Median weekly earnings by educational attainment in 2014

Median weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers age 25 and older with less than a high school diploma were $488 in 2014. The median for workers with a high school diploma only (no college) was $668 per week, and the median for those with at least a bachelor’s degree was $1,193 per week.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/median-weekly-earnings-by-education-gender-race-and-ethnicity-in-2014.htm

Median Household Income in 2015 By Educational Attainment of Householder
Less than 9th grade: $26,252
9th to 12th but no diploma: $26,356
High School Grad or GED: $42,047
Some College, no degree: $51,906
Associates Degree: $62,485
Bachelors Degree: $87,991
Master’s Degree: $101,323
Professional Degree: $136,640
Doctorate Degree: $121,244
https://www.statista.com/statistics/233301/median-household-income-in-the-united-states-by-education/


36 posted on 03/25/2017 1:16:10 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: mrsmel

The overall life expectancy for someone born in 2015 is 78.8 years. The life expectancy for the average American man is 76.3. For women, it is 81.2 years.


37 posted on 03/25/2017 1:23:14 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

“Median Household Income in 2015 By Educational Attainment of Householder”
==

Householder?

What,exactly,is household income? I thought that it included everyone working in the household.

.


38 posted on 03/25/2017 1:26:24 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Persevero

I think everything I’ve said still holds true. For people with debilitating challenges, the definition of “winning” is just different than what most of us would use.


39 posted on 03/25/2017 1:49:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

There should be a category for non-college grads with skills in fields that are essential and cannot be outsourced. Mechanic, plumber, heavy equipment operator and electrician come to mind.


40 posted on 03/25/2017 2:00:31 PM PDT by Freee-dame (Best election ever.)
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