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To: Captainpaintball

And if you add the word ‘intellectually’ to your comment, I still stand by mine.

You can only HOPE to be 1/1000000000th as ‘intellectually lazy’ as Donald Trump.


30 posted on 03/23/2017 3:55:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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Let’s examine things:

1) The Mike Pence can ignore the Parliamentarian theory seems to have fallen off the radar, as it should. It’s just an attempt to kill the Filibuster, which conservatives properly support. So it’s pretty much dismissed now.

2) The 2 speech rule as a way to avoid 60 votes. Nope. Total failure. Each senator can offer amendments to a bill and each amendment is a debateable item and thus can get 2 speeches from every Dem. And if you try to limit amendments, you face points of order, which can’t be limited and all are debateable items. So you can’t avoid 60 votes with the 2 speech rule. The only way to shut off debate is with cloture.

3) Cross your arms petulantly and refuse to do anything at all (with your lousy 12% of the GOP seats). Just don’t govern. Do nothing — on presumption Obamacare is going to die by itself. Wrong. Stupid. Obamacare is in place. Its funding mechanism is in the budget. You want to defund it? Get 60 votes. Or accept Reconciliation, which will turn out exactly as the present text. Or fund nothing at all and let your parents Soc Sec checks not appear. Oh, you want to exclude those? No problem. Get 60 votes.

4) Let’s kill the filibuster because the Dems had to contort to use Reconciliation and pass without 60, but you, with your EVEN SMALLER majority think you’re superior and should not have to. You discover there is no magic way to do it outside Reconciliation and you gotta have 60. But you don’t WANT that. So you want to kill the filibuster. That’s a Senate rules change. Good luck getting even 50.

And so, I don’t think there’s anything left, is there? You pass nothing, you get fully funded Obamacare for as far as the eye can see.

You pass something, pretty much anything, it looks like progress.


33 posted on 03/23/2017 4:10:19 PM PDT by Owen
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