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Health bill vote delayed in House in setback to Trump, Ryan
ABC News ^ | Mar 23, 2017 | erica werner and ricardo alonso-zaldivar

Posted on 03/23/2017 12:47:49 PM PDT by NobleFree

GOP House leaders delayed their planned vote Thursday on a long-promised bill to repeal and replace "Obamacare," in a stinging setback for House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Donald Trump in their first major legislative test.

The decision came after Trump, who ran as a master dealmaker, failed to reach agreement with a bloc of rebellious conservatives. Moderate-leaning Republican lawmakers were also bailing on the legislation, leaving it short of votes. [...]

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: ahca; obamacare; paulryan; rinocare; ryancare; ryancarebill; trumpcare
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To: Jarhead9297
an open call for divesting from conservatism

What is your "conservatism"? Conservatism is Mark Levin on the radio ranting about Trump and "RyanCare" while misleading his viewers about what's actually in the bill, and attempting to deceive them into believing that the House vote was the end all and be all that must be opposed at the cost of the American people because "muh conservative purity." Conservatism is Ben Shapiro calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians but then saying Trump is unethical to want to limit immigration from Muslim countries.

What's needed is genuine patriotism, not ideological misfits who suffer from the same utopian style thinking as the liberals. Note your responses, which are almost identical to any liberal on the internet who just can't BELIEVE that there can be another way to look at things.

181 posted on 03/24/2017 7:22:57 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: NobleFree

I think the failure of the bill is a great first step toward replacing RYAN in the House.


182 posted on 03/25/2017 10:55:15 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: NobleFree
I KNOW NOT WHAT COURSE FREEDOM CAUCUS MAY TAKE BUT AS FOR ME GIVE ME HYPOCRISY OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!
183 posted on 03/26/2017 3:46:10 AM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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To: WhatNot

Your proclamations are much more persuasive in boldface and all-caps. Well played.


184 posted on 03/26/2017 6:51:26 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
DON'T SPREAD THE FREEDOM CAUCUS SPREAD THEIR HYPOCRISY!!
185 posted on 03/26/2017 6:53:35 AM PDT by WhatNot (The Gospel doesn't promise the American dream, it promises Eternal life in the Kingdom of God.)
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To: jafojeffsurf
REPEAL PERIOD! It is not a Power or under the Authority of the Federal Government PERIOD

So it goes to the Senate....then what?

186 posted on 03/27/2017 5:39:36 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: Rusty0604
Give the Medicaid money to the states to cover those that truly need it, and that could cover someone that lost their job through no fault of their own and couldn’t afford COBRA, etc.

Privatize it.

Make them pay something for it, all the way up to full-premium....based on their ability to pay.

Everyone has a co-pay.

187 posted on 03/27/2017 5:51:57 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: major-pelham

188 posted on 03/27/2017 5:58:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: Dave W; LS
That is total and complete bull shit and you know it. Trump has endorsed this bill inside and out. Trump has said this is a great bill and has threatened to primary those who vote against it. I would say that makes this as much Trump’s bill as Ryan. So Trump gave him cover? Sounds like they’re partners to me. Call a spade a spade.

You have never been in any negotiation ever in your entire life. Not once. Nothing. You have never bargained, ever. You are completely devoid of any experience whatsoever in the arena of negotiation. Not only that, you do not even know the definitions of the words 'negotiate' or 'bargain'. In fact, you do not speak the English language whatsoever. Further, you have never even been born. You are not alive. You never have been. You are merely some dust in between stars, hoping beyond hope to be captured by some gravity well that turns out to be a viable planet so you can eventually become some vegetation, then be digested by a living organism, then become part of an embryo, so you can finally become born. But the odds are it will be a fishlike unintelligent alien on a high-gravity world near a star that is about to go supernova.

Sorry about your luck.

189 posted on 03/27/2017 6:07:16 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: Lazamataz

This is the type of uncontrolled rant when you don’t have a clue as to how to substantially respond. Trump and Ryan blew this one, but Trump will learn. Politics is not like the business world and will never be like the business world.


190 posted on 03/27/2017 7:28:15 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W

Be quiet, space dust. Find a planet to settle on, then become vegetation.


191 posted on 03/27/2017 7:37:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“So it goes to the Senate....then what?”

What about “REPEAL PERIOD!” do you not understand?

God Bless


192 posted on 03/27/2017 5:52:06 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Christendom, A Moral People, and Return to a Nation/s UNDER God!)
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To: Lazamataz

You’re funny. The bottom line has not changed. I made a solid, substantive and cogent post. You don’t even attempt to refute it with a thoughtful and cogent post, which means you can’t do so. I easily win the debate.


193 posted on 03/27/2017 6:00:07 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W

Ha! I won the debate so clearly, because you are space dust that hasn’t even found a gravity well to settle into! HAAAHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHA


194 posted on 03/27/2017 6:06:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: jafojeffsurf
What about “REPEAL PERIOD!” do you not understand?

I don't understand how you expect to do it without having the bill being passed unscathed by the Senate, and sent to the President.

Machine guns and hand grenades?

Perhaps you can explain the whole process to me.

195 posted on 03/27/2017 7:03:17 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: Lazamataz
No, you have not won. You just name call because you don't have the ability to refute my post. I learned sometime ago, that those who name call and can't respond to a substantive post with like substantive meaning, can't do so. Often, you lack the ability or it's not possible because the argument is solid.

So again, Trump endorsed Paul Ryan's health care bill. Not once, not twice, but multiple times and he did so heartily. In fact, he threatened those that opposed the Ryan/Trump health care bill (which of course, nothing happened - there were too many). The Ryan/Trump health care bill did not repeal Obamacare, nor deal with marketplace issues. It was so flawed and non market based that premiums would still skyrocket in the next few years. It was a poorly thought out bill and it was kept hidden up until a few weeks ago that Ryan/Trump thought they could just ram it through Congress, but it was not to happen.

This is what Trump wanted to pass and Trump promoted, endorsed, fought for and bragged about ("It's a great bill" - "It's a fantastic bill"). This is the bill that Trump brought scores of House members to the White House to twist their arms to vote for. The Ryan/Trump bill failed.

196 posted on 03/28/2017 12:42:09 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: Dave W
I learned sometime ago, that those who name call and can't respond to a substantive post with like substantive meaning, can't do so.

You didn't learn enough, space dust.

Sometimes we just don't have the time.

197 posted on 03/28/2017 4:50:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“I don’t understand how you expect to do it without having the bill being passed unscathed by the Senate, and sent to the President.”

Ok so two times in a row, you obviously having a had time with common sense.

“REPEAL Period!” mean ALL BRANCHs vote to REPEAL Period.

Its not Complicated and its not trickery its Simple as REPEAL Period! for it is Not a Power of the Federal Government to begin with. Your more than welcome to put your faith in others who have no clue buy I Do Not Consent to it!

God Bless

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/house-obamacare-repeal-planned-parenthood/


198 posted on 03/28/2017 4:51:48 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Christendom, A Moral People, and Return to a Nation/s UNDER God!)
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To: jafojeffsurf
Ok so two times in a row, you obviously having a had time with common sense.

No need for you to be an A-hole.

“REPEAL Period!” mean ALL BRANCHs vote to REPEAL Period.

"Common sense" tells me that may-well not happen.

It also tells me that only one "branch" votes...that branch being Congress.

199 posted on 03/28/2017 5:50:23 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Common sense also tells me, anyone using CNN as an information source has no credibility.


200 posted on 03/28/2017 5:55:50 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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