He isn't jetting off (or jetting surrogates off) around the world to have face-to-face meetings for the hell of it... he is deliberately avoiding sigint.
Because he is dirty. Always has been, and has gotten worse.
Mr. niteowl77
Yes, Obama knows if it’s captured, it just might get out.
Just like Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch talking in a private plane on a tarmac. Engine noise all around (even if just other aircraft; air conditioners running).
They did not want that conversation to get recorded.
I would posit that discussion of “grandchildren” constituted 15-30 seconds of the whole conversation.