Posted on 03/12/2017 12:33:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” while discussing the Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) said he was “afraid if they vote for the bill, they’ll put the House majority at risk next year.”
Cotton said, “As it’s written today, this bill cannot pass the Senate. I believe it would have adverse consequences for millions of Americans and wouldn’t deliver on our promises to reduce the cost of health insurance to Americans. I would say to my friends in the house of representatives, with whom I serve, do not walk the plank and vote for a bill that cannot pass the Senate and then have to face the consequences of that vote. George, you were in the White House in 1993. You remember when House Democrats voted for a BTU energy tax. Not only did that not become law, it didn’t get a vote in the Senate. And those Democrats lost their next election because they voted on that tax. They call it getting BTU’d. I don’t think this bill can pass the Senate. And therefore, I think the house should take a pause and try to get as close as we can to a good result before they send to it the Senate.”
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
They are afraid of doing what they promised because it might cause them to lose the majority - which wouldn’t happen for almost 2 years, and which they’ll lose anyway if they don’t do what they promise.
They could get a whole heck of a lot of the right thing done in the next 18 months if they would just get off of their you-know-what’s and get to work.
Repeal the thing, allow insurance across state lines, bring back the high-risk pools for pre-existing and high risk conditions. Put a 6 month delay on any dropping of insurance by the insurers while they work out the details, but allow the return of the ‘major medical’ and low coverage policies immediately which consumers can choose to change to ASAP.
Most importantly, MAKE CONGRESS FOLLOW THE SAME RULES!!
Love,
O2
From what I’m reading there, I think his comments were pretty sound.
I’m not sure what you object to.
This isn’t the best way to go for U.S. Citizens. I don’t think anyone should be voting for it either.
Isn’t that sound thinking?
Do not bullshit an old bullshiter
Senate rules can be changed ANYTIME 51 senators vote to do so.
Y’all wackos are entirely free to submit legislation text right here that can get 60 votes in the Senate. Knock yourselves out.
You don’t have the seats. What do you not get about that. Reid had 60 seats in 2009. We have 52 in 2017. Why is this mathematically complex for you? 52 is not 60.
You want to eliminate filibuster? You can’t get 60 for that either. You can’t even get 50 for that.
You do as much as you can do, or you betray the populist voters in the Rust Belt that put Trump in the White House. Time to support the president.
Reconciliation can demolish it, wreck it, bust it, leave it on the books in name only.
But without outright repealing the wretched thing, future Congresses ruled by democrats can revive the wreckage without passing a new law and having to go through the 60 vote rule in the Senate to end debate again.
So it must be repealed to be rid of it in our lifetime.
The problem is they can’t repeal the law meaning take the law off the books. If they use brute force in reconciliation, then the democrats will do the same the next time the control Congress.
The way forward is to get the 60 votes. The way to do that is to hit the democrats where they are weak. They are weak because they are vulnerable to criminal prosecution by those having the cajones to prosecute.
Jeff Sessions can hang them on this:
Sessions can hit democrats so hard on the above they will be begging for mercy and the mercy can come in the form of asking for a 5-year prison sentence in lieu of a 10-year one if the prosecutors are persuaded. The persuading can come with a 60 vote repeal of Obamacare in addition to other things.
That’s hardball. It needs to be done.
How did they get a repeal bill to Obama’s desk?
The veto was expected. But Republicans claimed victory nonetheless, arguing that they met two goals by finally passing a repeal bill: keeping a promise to voters in an election year, and **showing that they are capable of repealing the law if a Republican wins November’s presidential election.** All the GOP presidential candidates support repealing the law widely referred to as “Obamacare.”
Sorry, it’s from MSN :-(
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-vetoes-bill-to-repeal-signature-health-care-law/ar-CCicAL
Love,
O2
Oh, and btw, Obamacare will not crash and burn on its own. The Federal Reserve creates money from thin air. That’s its charter. It can fund Obamacare as long as Congress keeps it in place.
Which it will without 60 votes.
You do all you can do or you do nothing, and essentially tell the world you’re happy with it. No one will applaud nothingness.
You raise a good point.
Too many people screaming goofy things like Trump needs to just “arrest” XY or Z Democrat or other gimmicks, doesn’t erase the numbers.
As if Ryancare can get to 60.
Repeal the damned thing!
(Replacement will destroy both the R house AND SENATE majorities for sure. We voted for President Trump and the R ticket to DRAIN THE SWAMP and now they are doing what?
1. keeping Obamacare (under one guise or another),
2. talking with mass-murder terrorist Abbas (SH*T!), and
3. not repealing the federal income tax
4. “compromising” to keep all or most of the IslamoNazi infiltrators and terrorist “immigrants” in America????
for this, we could have elected Hillary. Certainly we could have just stayed home and let her buy her way to the White House, with all of her commie IslamoNazi sympathizers together, and we would have been......not much worse off.
Not much at all.
DJT has the smarts and the ability to DRAIN THE SWAMP he promised he would drain for us. I still hope he will do it, but......
That got to Obama’s desk because Reid didn’t want to waste his members’ time with a filibuster effort when he knew it would be vetoed.
Now, they will filibuster any attempt to do anything that isn’t Reconciliation.
You are correct but following your prescription leads to giving the democrats when they rule future Congresses the means to end the republic completely.
Read #25 for a better but hardball solution.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3534079/posts?page=25#25
Of course it can’t get 60. That’s why it is crafted to function under Reconciliation and can get 50.
You do all you can do with the seats you have. If you do nothing, no one will applaud your nothingness.
The term ‘repeal’ was misused. It was a budget reconciliation which effectively demolished Obamacare. Some members of Congress led members of the public to think it was a repeal, it wasn’t.
A repeal means the law ceases to be on the books. It’s a law to end a law. Just as the 22th Amendment was an amendment to end an amendment (the 18th).
What the republicans are plotting to do to Obamacare is wreck it, not repeal it.
Future Congresses ruled by democrats can resuscitate the damn Obamacare bill and start it up again. That’s why a repeal is needed.
The only way to get a repeal now is by playing hardball. See #25.
You sound just like the left wing crazies when Scott Brown won and erased their 60 votes. They were going to put everyone in jail, too.
Didn’t happen.
You do whatever you can with the seats you have. Ryan has been Speaker less than 2 yrs. He didn’t want the job. He didn’t campaign for it. He got it because no one else who could get a majority was willing to take it.
He has offered up a sledgehammer to Obamacare within the unavoidable constraints of Reconciliation.
Don’t salivate and leap to scream that it’s not unavoidable. You got 52 votes. You want to kill the filibuster? You don’t have the 60 votes to change that rule. YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE 50 VOTES TO CHANGE THAT RULE. The rational GOP senators, hard core conservatives, will not support killing the filibuster.
Politics is the art of the possible. Ryan has offered up a major slam to Obamacare that is possible. Nothing beyond it is.
I do have an issue with any idea of charging older folks more - this would encourage folks between 50 - 64(living on the margins) to drop expensive coverage, which in turn would mean emergency treatment costs passed on to all others. They should simply allow everyone to buy the coverage that they want.
Make all of them have it if it is so good. All in congress and fed -gov. Scotus too. Roberts gets it first. no exempt for unions either.
The Rats were aware of the Humpty Dumpty paradox when they passed this damn thing, and knew the old system has been destroyed, making it impossible to easily repeal and replace it. They know that as much as the right hates it, some people do like Obamacare, but right now they are a minority. THey will do everything they can to make sure whatever the Republicans put forth is hated and despised even more. Many Republicans will be happy to help in doing so. They do not see the failure of Ryan’s bill as the first step toward repeal, they see it as the end of repeal, a defeat for Trump, and the start of hope that they can preserve Obamacare.
If the Republicans jam something through that mucks it up worse and leaves people up in the air about healthcare, it could shift the balance too far the other way and with their media partners, the Democrats will blame every glitch or issue, no matter how minor, on Trump and the Republicans.
I’d like to see a clean repeal, and then some market-based reforms like Rand Paul has proposed. But not at the cost of shifting the balance to where more people hate Ryancare at the time of the 2018 mideterms than who hate Obamacare now.
If the Rats can win control of even one house of Congress in 2018, it’s not going to matter whether it’s called Ryancare or Trumpcare - they will block further changes and do their damndest to put every bit of Obamacare back in place.
To borrow the Buckley Rule, I want the most complete repeal and the most constitutional and conservative replacement that we can get passed through Congress and signed by President Trump by about this time next year. That means they have some time to work out a compromise, but they can’t screw around forever.
The underlying theme seems to be, “We’re not getting rid of Obamacare unless you buy into our (Obamacare 2) replacement plan!” It has a hint of extortion.
The stark appearance of laziness, on behalf of himself, and the RINO coalition of the GOP, makes it clear that he has every intention to use the same mindset on the “new” plan as the democrats did on the original. There’s no evidence of a deep seated desire to give the American people what they want, and voted for.
I find it hard to trust Paul Ryan...he’s got shifty eyes, and a line of silver-tongue BS that rivals the former president. I think he is so steeped in establishment beliefs, that he’ll never change.
My suspicion is, being third-in-line for the presidency, is driving his ambitious, long-term plans, and not health care. Being the “player” that I see him to be, he changed gears way too fast from becoming Candidate Trump’s “distractors”, to posing as his “supporter”, AFTER the election.
Double-crossing the President, and the voters, on promised Obamacare repeal, would change a lot of Trump supporters minds, starting a trend to get rid of the two individuals standing his his way for the high office, namely “Trump”, and “Pence”.
There’s no brilliance in his plan to dazzle us, and remove, and, this Godzilla of a healthcare plan, but doing it in combination is his plan to baffle us with BS...a favorite trick of lawyers and used car salesmen.
I’m in league with the “Congressional Conservative Freedom Coalition”, (and other groups) to repeal Obamacare, THEN, get to work on a replacement plan...or, better still, just get hell out of the insurance business altogether, and hand it back over to the private sector. The transition couldn’t be anymore confusing than the original switch TO Obamacare, FROM the private sector.
Getting mired into the piecemeal “repeal/replace” cabal is a liberal tactic to bog down the process and confuse the public. Ryan, and his minions, sequestered themselves to a private chamber to come up with this monstrosity...the first clue that nothing good for the public would come out of it.
Ryan, and his illusions of grandeur, is designed to promote “Paul Ryan”, and not healthcare. His arms-length polishing of President Trump’s “Apple” is as transparent as Saran Wrap.
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