Posted on 03/10/2017 12:13:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind
How about all the white males who were laid off in droves, either because of the rampant age discrimination, or to make way for the stellar Third-World code monkeys?
RE: There are no American workers to “pour in” if we eliminate the talented H1B workers. We look everywhere for them now, offering ridiculously high salarues — and they are no where to be found.
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You have to define what “well trained” is.
You have to remember that technology changes a lot and what was being done in the past may or no longer apply in the near future. However, there is no reason why a person who has mastered an obsolete technology and was good at it cannot learn to master newer ones.
I’ve been and still am in the software industry for 25 years and I can tell you that those who have been programming or developing software using programming language X ( you name it ) have to be very wary of the technology they are in because language X could suddenly be made obsolete by a replacement technology, a more sexy language Y.
When you are good doing software with Product X, that might not necessarily make you marketable today if Product X goes by the wayside. But that does not mean you won’t be good enough to learn product Y such that we’ll have to scout around for Indians to do it.
As an example, there used to be a time in the 90’s when developing front end applications with a tool like PowerBuilder could garner you a premium in salary. That tool’s market share has declined since the year 2000 and nowadays, you won’t find any ads for Powerbuilder skills at all.
What’s my point? My point is a lot of those who developed in PowerBuilder eventually learned new tools ( e.g Visual Basic , etc. ).
The question is this -— how many of these very good and smart software developers with a proven record who want to learn and can easily pick up and coming technologies are being shunted aside by American employers in favor of H1B workers?
I would bet there are a lot. What a waste of talent simply because companies don’t want to give them a chance.
So, the question to American companies is this -— are you willing to give a chance to these people, or are you simply going to stake your company on foreigners?
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Do you really think you can talk companies into hiring people with higher salaries? Why do you waste your time? The solution is simply to stop issuing the VISAs. That’s the job of the government. That’s where one should direct one’s efforts.
Here, here. Stop H1Bs, revoke the ones in place. Watch consumer spending go through the roof. Phase them out over 15 months. The ones going home can train the Americans coming back in.
Believe me, if I heard as much as a peep coming from the asshats in CA about ANYTHING, I’d hit them with that executive order and then let them defend that in the press.
Twitter the policy change and then put a poll in the field.
Absolutely not true. They are bringing in droves of no-nothing grunts. I have seen it with my very eyes. I'm talking about people who need to google how to use the 'nslookup' command.
“Do we want many of the smartest people in the industry to work for our companies or do we want them to stay home and compete against us?”
I agree with you on many of your points.
Here’s my problem with H1B visas ... they are exploited to reduce cost by deadbeats. I’ve seen it myself. It makes me sick.
If you want to get the corruption out of the H1B program, simply eliminate the clause that makes the H1B holder a slave to the company that sponsors their visa. Bring the H1B holder into the country on the company’s dime, have the visa holder agree to work for the sponsor for a year (or whatever) w/o the penalty of having to reimburse moving expenses, and let the free market dictate what the H1B visa holder can earn. If the H1B holder can find another sponsor willing to pay them more, let the visa holder jump ship and pay the hiring company back for the moving expenses -OR- the current employer can pay more and convince the holder to stay.
I’ve been in this industry for 20 years now. It sickens me to see the H1B program abused by disgusting people that preach socialism, but blow their ill gotten gains on the backs of underpaid people not unlike a Soviet portrayal of a “Captialist Pig” :-).
The H1B visa as it exists distorts the market when they’re used by deadbeats. I am all for bringing in the best and brightest from all parts of the world ... hell, the young people in this industry keep me on my toes and make me a better engineer :-) ... but when that program is abused by filth and keeps people’s earning potential in the gutter, the program needs to be called out for what it is and it needs repaired.
RE: H1-Bs go mostly to software engineers/developers who have at least a bachelor’s degree, most likely in a engineering major.
If this were so, then why does the University of California have to tell their IT folks to train their replacements and then fire these almost 80 experienced IT employees after that?
Leni
Pure BS.
20 years doing SAP business analyst FUNCTIONAL work, a field that needs NO heavy rare technical visas.
The real crime is that many if not half or more of the visas are for jobs that are not rare or technical.
It needs to die.
I’ve seen scores of American citizens that could do my work passed up due to the greed of cheap labor corporations.
Shameful.
The American workers are out there. American corporations want the labor cheap and they don’t want to train Americans. I’ quit my current job and do nothing but train Americans the day that program is ended.
The program needs to go away and a new pro-Americans program needs to start.
Complete and utter BS.
You know nothing of the industry.
Most ARE. They cannot change jobs on day 1.
I work with these people.
No, you are either trolling for tech companies or you benefit from the racket.
Stop it with the nonsense, we in the IT industry, SAP in my case, have seen the abuse for over twenty years.
Yes he is ...
I’ve been with Intel 3 times and AMD twice ... they keep hiring me back as a contractor to fix the messes that the H1B’s create. I have come out of retirement and re-retired 4 times now. The companies keep waving wads of cash under my 66 year old nose asking me to come back and fix things. If I was a lousy engineer, Intel and AMD would not bring me back.
Hell AMD called me again yesterday asking for me to come back for another 6 month contract.
Do you know that universities and Community Colleges advice students to study psychology instead of CS or EE in last couple decades. I would like some one to verify that.
Minor distinction, I can assure you. It’s still a travesty that many Americans are dealing with.
Liar. Lemme guess, you work for a body shop getting a cut off the top.
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