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Rand Paul introduces ObamaCare repeal alternative
The Hill ^ | March 9, 2017 | Jordain Carney

Posted on 03/09/2017 8:41:16 AM PST by HarleyLady27

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To: Ray76

Rubio got primaried in 2016.

Now we have 6 more years of Rubio. Yay us!

McCain also got primaried in 2016.

Now we have 6 more years if McCain. Yay us!

I’m pretty sure that they aren’t worried about being primaried.


121 posted on 03/09/2017 2:02:00 PM PST by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: chris37

Join the Democrats. If you’re not going to try then go join the Democrats.


122 posted on 03/09/2017 2:06:05 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: dynoman
Why wasn’t it enacted in 2015?

Because President 0bunghole vetoed it ...

123 posted on 03/09/2017 2:07:43 PM PST by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: DoodleDawg
Obama's gone

That's the problem. If they pass a real 0bamacare repeal, President Trump will sign it. The GOPE don't want that.

124 posted on 03/09/2017 2:09:58 PM PST by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: pgkdan
I'm sick of everything folding up at the threat of a filibuster.

RIGHT. There are very few real filibusters, now. Make the bastards do it for real; that'll curb their enthusiasm.

125 posted on 03/09/2017 2:12:07 PM PST by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: Ray76

I think you pass the reconciliation bill now and primary out or defeat anyone who won’t vote for repeal in 2018.


126 posted on 03/09/2017 2:12:10 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: HarleyLady27
What I think Trump is going to do is talk with Conservatives, and introduce the real deal Obamacare Replacement bill next week, and basically force the reconciliation bill be the same one past last year.

Talk to us again on Friday next week.

127 posted on 03/09/2017 2:13:44 PM PST by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: Ray76

Oh okay.

I’ll go join the democrats then.

You stay with the guys who get voted out of office in 2018, because they didn’t play their hand when they had a hand, because they stupidly assumed they were going to get another hand.

They are trying.

You seem intent on failing, because you insist on a strategy that cannot succeed.

Why don’t you let them play their hand?

They will either play it right and win, or they will play it wrong and lose and be gone in 2018.

Go watch Ryan’s presentation from this morning, and then tell me what it is that you would have him do differently.

I’m interested to know.

How exactly are you going to get a full repeal bill to Trump’s desk?


128 posted on 03/09/2017 2:16:48 PM PST by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: chris37

I don’t care about your party. They’re a pack of Quislings.


129 posted on 03/09/2017 2:29:49 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: NorthMountain

I do know that President Trump will be in Tenn. next week, I wonder if he is going to out and around to see what the American People have to say about ObamaCareLite...

If he comes to an area where you can get to, go and let him know what we think...

REPEAL AND REPLACE!!!


130 posted on 03/09/2017 2:59:20 PM PST by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence: MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!)
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To: chris37

Here’s Ryan’s bill

http://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/AmericanHealthCareAct.pdf


131 posted on 03/09/2017 3:03:57 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76
Ryan is telling lies.

A few minutes ago on Hannity's radio show Ryan said his bill is "Tim Price's bill plus replace", it is "repeal plus replace"

That is lie.

Here is the relevant part Price's bill:

Sec 2. REPEAL OF PPACA AND HEALTH CARE-RELATED HCERA PROVISIONS.
(a) PPACA.-Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111–148), such Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.

(b) HEALTH CARE-RELATED PROVISIONS IN THE HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION RECONCILIATION ACT OF 2010.—Effective as of the enactment of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (Public Law 111–152), title I and subtitle B of title II of such Act are repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such title or subtitle, respectively, are restored or revived as if such title and subtitle had not been enacted.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161227192319/http://tomprice.house.gov/sites/tomprice.house.gov/files/HR%202300%20Empowering%20Patients%20First%20Act%202015.pdf

There is nothing similar in Ryan's bill.
132 posted on 03/09/2017 3:06:55 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: HarleyLady27
If he comes to an area where you can get to, go and let him know what we think...

I have an internet connection, and I use it. ;'}

Beyond that, he doesn't visit WV much. We're not exactly a "swing state".

133 posted on 03/09/2017 3:23:09 PM PST by NorthMountain (The Democrats ... have lost their grip on reality -DJT)
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To: NorthMountain
he doesn't visit WV much.

You should get Volkswagen to build an assembly plant there, you could call it:

VWWV (or WVVW)

134 posted on 03/09/2017 3:30:16 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: chris37
So it has to be done through reconciliation, which has certain requirements.

Well Ryan just needs to find something that Mitch want worse. Takes two houses to move legislation and Mitch's worst fear is a government shutdown. Mitch said today there would be no tax cut this year but Trump came out and said there would be, guess we will see who has the power. I remember when GW sort of forced a changer in Senate leaders.

135 posted on 03/09/2017 3:35:04 PM PST by itsahoot (They have to keep the illegals covered because they vote.)
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To: Ray76

“How exactly are you going to get a full repeal bill to Trump’s desk?”

Try again.

And don’t bother posting anything to me that isn’t what I asked for, because I’m not going to read it.

Wasting my time with your BS.


136 posted on 03/09/2017 4:02:30 PM PST by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: itsahoot

I think Ryan made the situation very clear this morning in his presentation.

If McConnell isn’t willing to ditch the filibuster, then we have to work with the filibuster, that means reconciliation.

I’m not sure what more there is to say about it.

Yes, it suck, McConnell is terrible.

And we are stuck with him, because Kuntucky keeps electing him, and the GOP senators keep putting him in charge.


137 posted on 03/09/2017 4:04:37 PM PST by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: chris37
If McConnell isn’t willing to ditch the filibuster, then we have to work with the filibuster, that means reconciliation.

And if Ryan is unwilling to pressure Mitch then there you go. The dirty little secret is this is what they want. Ryan fully funded ObamaCare why would you think he opposed any part of it. Basically he has taken a turd sandwich and put some lettuce and tomato on it hoping to make it tasty enough so you won't notice the turd is still in it.

By the way there are plenty of people saying that reconciliation is all that is needed to undo this entirely. There is also rule 19 that forces them to accept a vote after they all object to their hearts content, so that tells me they have what they want already. As a bonus they have someone else to blame.

138 posted on 03/09/2017 4:34:58 PM PST by itsahoot (They have to keep the illegals covered because they vote.)
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To: itsahoot

I personally hope that someone is able to pull a rabbit out of the hat on this and change the scenario that Ryan presented this morning.

I see on the main page that Cruz seems to be planning something, but I haven’t had a chance to read it yet.

I don’t support what is in Ryan’s bill, and I don’t have any love at all for Ryan or Mitch. I think they suck.

But I do support getting a bill to the president’s desk as opposed to making them vote on something that isn’t going to pass just so we can take names and primary them in 2018 as if that will achieve anything, because it will achieve nothing.

I would like to see a whole bunch of changes to this initial bill. I can tell you straight up that I won’t be paying nay penalties to any insurance company.

Just ‘cuz these bastards say I gotta do something don’t mean I’ma do it, so there is clearly more work to be done.

What I do not want to do is jump on the bandwagon of oh look trump really never was conservative blah, blah, blah. That crap is stupid.

He has to work with these quisling faggots. He can’t do it by himself.

So, like I said, no point in me sitting here being angry. Now is the time to watch and see, so that’s what I am doing.


139 posted on 03/09/2017 4:56:03 PM PST by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: chris37
What I do not want to do is jump on the bandwagon of oh look trump really never was conservative blah, blah, blah. That crap is stupid.

Hannity is on the Win one for the Gipper kick. Claiming if we don't pass this bill it will destroy Trump. No it won't, but Trump fell in line with Ryan and Price, way too quick on this one.

140 posted on 03/09/2017 9:32:31 PM PST by itsahoot (They have to keep the illegals covered because they vote.)
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