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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Nonsense. A fake post. The got it passed through reconciliation, not 60 votes, it can be repealed the same way. Lyin’ Ryan and Turtle face Mcconnell need to grow some testicles and show the party they mean business.


7 posted on 03/07/2017 8:08:58 PM PST by Fungi (Every breath, another five thousand fungal spores enter your body. All five thousand will be named.)
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To: Fungi

It can’t all be undone via reconciliation. They have no reason not to if they could but they can’t.


18 posted on 03/07/2017 8:17:25 PM PST by citizen (To hold with the #MSM description used by @POTUS, I am using #OppoMedia to refer to our biased media)
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To: Fungi

Since you were obviously not paying attention, here is what happened.

Way back in 2009 when ObamaCare was being constructed, there were two procedural legislative constructs to create ObamaCare- one from the House (Pelosi) and one from the Senate (Reid).

The biggest hurdle in overcoming the constitutional minority protections for overreaching legislative constructs is the Senate. The Senate is structurally built around a process that requires minority consideration to pass law. Knowing this, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid needed a system to work around the legislative blocks (tools) of Republicans.

One of the tricks in their road-map was to get a bill passed the Senate first. The Senate vote hurdles are the tallest (60). The plan was for the Senate Bill to then go to the House for changes, and then back to the Senate for reconciliation of those changes, ie. lower vote hurdle (51).

So Harry Reid stripped out an already existing House bill sent to the Senate that was to fund the retirement accounts of federal fire-fighters. The construct of ObamaCare that Reid created through bribery, deal-making, scheme and fraud, used the House Fire-fighting bill as the “vehicle” holding the Senate legislative construct. After sequestering the Senators for two weeks, it passed with only dems (60) at 1:38am on 12/23/09.

The House also passed a bill, but their version was remarkably different, which would normally go to the senate for changes, adjustments and a vote. However, after we elected Scott Brown Jan 19th 2010, Harry Reid only had 59 votes when the Senate returned from the holiday recess.

Scott Brown meant the House bill was Dead On Arrival in the Senate.

The only option was for the House (Pelosi) to vote on the Senate bill (Reid) passed on 12/23/09. However, the Democrats could not change anything; because if they changed anything when they send it back to the Senate another full high-hurdle Senate vote would be needed, and Reid had lost that ability.

So Nancy Pelosi talked one-on-one with each of her House members, and convinced them to vote on the Senate Bill “as is”, even though the Senate bill was highly unliked by massive numbers of House democrats (especially the ‘blue dogs’). It was a plan that depended on modification of the Senate Bill AFTER House passage. That “after passage” modification plan was the reconciliation process.

The House voted to approve the Senate bill “without changes” thereby making it law. At this moment in time the Reid Bill was momentarily the ObamaCare law.

The new law was then immediately modified by a second House bill and sent to the Senate for use in the budgetary technique of “reconciliation”, where only 51 votes are needed to modify an existing bill based on funding, or the budget of the bill.


20 posted on 03/07/2017 8:20:27 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Fungi

Since the Supreme Court deemed it a tax-type situation...the 60-rule doesn’t apply in this. Only 50 or more. The replacement bill, as I’ve read it, is mostly a tax-bill as well.


25 posted on 03/07/2017 8:23:05 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Fungi

I heard awhile back that the Parliamentarian told them they can only repeal part of it because it was passed through reconciliation. Well the Dems Parliamentarian told the Dems they could pass it through reconciliation so the Republicans should tell their Parliamentarian to shove it and vote to repeal. Lol


73 posted on 03/07/2017 8:55:47 PM PST by sheana
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To: Fungi

Nonsense. A fake post. The got it passed through reconciliation, not 60 votes, it can be repealed the same way. Lyin’ Ryan and Turtle face Mcconnell need to grow some testicles and show the party they mean business.>>> agreed after all it is a tax declared by our scotus. recon can kill it.


77 posted on 03/07/2017 9:01:00 PM PST by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: Fungi

your r exactly right.

that’s zactley how the last repeal got to Obama’s desk.
Senate via reconciliation and House via vote.

see here

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/obama-vetoes-obamacare-repeal-bill/

It only required the House to have 2/3 to override the veto and they couldn’t do it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/02/house-fails-override-presidents-veto-obamacare-repeal/79697108/

So why don’t they use the same process this time ?

Mid term elections 2018.


121 posted on 03/07/2017 9:28:40 PM PST by stylin19a (Terrorists - "just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there")
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To: Fungi

Obamacare passed the Senate with 60 votes - no Republicans voted for it: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00396


173 posted on 03/07/2017 11:37:03 PM PST by BeauBo
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