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Yes, There Could Be Serious Legal Problems if Obama Admin Involved in Illegal Surveillance
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Posted on 03/05/2017 2:07:38 AM PST by TigerClaws

President Trump recently tweeted claiming that former President Obama wiretapped him during his campaign. One can only imagine how nuts the media would have gone if the roles had been reversed: President Trump wiretapping either Obama or the Clintons, though his DOJ could have authority to do just that given the expansive leaks of intelligence information by Obama and Clinton supporters the last few months. Heck, he could wiretap the media at this point, legally and legitimately, as the sources of these unlawful leaks, for which Obama himself set precedent. Do liberals understand what Pandora’s Box Obama opened up by Obama using the powers of the NSA, CIA and FBI to spy on his political opponents? Even Nixon never did that.

If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are than Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.

Can a President be charged with a crime? Only once out of office. While in office, impeachment remains the exclusive remedy in order to avoid a single judicial branch trying to overturn an election, such as a grand jury in any part of the country could. Once out of office, a President remains immune from civil liability for his duties while President, under a 1982 decision of the United States Supreme Court. However, as the Nixon pardon attests, nothing forecloses a criminal prosecution of the President after his presidency is complete for crimes against the country. Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, should know that.

What crimes could have been committed? Ironically, for Democrats falsely accusing Attorney General Sessions, perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury, as well as intentional violations of FISA. Rather shockingly, no law currently forbids misusing the power of the presidency to spy on one’s adversaries. What the law does forbid is lying to any judicial officer to obtain any means of surveillance. What the law does forbid, under criminal penalty, is the misuse of FISA. Both derive from the protections of the Fourth Amendment itself. Under section 1809, FISA makes it a crime for anyone to either “engage in” electronic surveillance under “color of law” under FISA without following the law’s restrictions, or “disclose” or “use” information gathered from it in contravention of the statute’s sharp constrictions.

FISA, 50 USC 1801, et seq., is a very limited method of obtaining surveillance authority. The reason for its strict limits is that FISA evades the regular federal court process, by not allowing regularly, Constitutionally appointed federal judges and their magistrates to authorize surveillance the Fourth Amendment would otherwise forbid. Instead, the Chief Justice handpicks the FISA court members, who have shown an exceptional deference to the executive branch. This is because FISA court members trust the government is only bringing them surveillance about pending terror attacks or “grave hostile” war-like attacks, as the FISA statute limits itself to. Thus, a FISA application can only be used in very limited circumstances.

One important reminder about electronic surveillance. Occasionally, a law enforcement officer will hear or see or record information not allowed by the warrant, but incidental or accidental to otherwise lawful surveillance. Their job is to immediately stop listening, stop recording, and to delete such information. This is what you occasionally see in films where the agent in the van hears the conversation turn away from something criminal to a personal discussion, and the agent then turns off the listening device and stops the recording. Such films simply recognize long-standing legal practice.

FISA can only be used for “foreign intelligence information.” Now that sounds broad, but is in fact very limited under the law. The only “foreign intelligence information” allowed as a basis for surveillance is information necessary to protect the United States against actual or potential “grave” “hostile” attack, war-like sabotage or international terror. Second, it can only be used to eavesdrop on conversations where the parties to the conversation are a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. An agent of a foreign power cannot be a United States person unless they are knowingly involved in criminal espionage. No warrant is allowed on that person unless a FISA court finds probable cause the United States person is knowingly engaged in criminal espionage. Even then, if it involves a United States person, special steps must be taken to “minimize the acquisition and retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of non publicly available information concerning un-consenting United States persons.”

This includes procedures that require they never identify the person, or the conversation, being surveilled, to the public where that information is not evidence of a particular crime. Third, the kind of information sought concerns solely information about a pending or actual attack on the country. That is why the law limits itself to sabotage incidents involving war, not any form or kind of “sabotage,” explicitly limiting itself to those acts identified in section 105 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

This bring us to Watergate-on-Steroids, or #ObamaGate. Here are the problematic aspects of the Obama surveillance on Trump’s team, and on Trump himself. First, it is not apparent FISA could ever be invoked. Second, it is possible Obama’s team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by withholding material information essential to the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance. Third, it could be that Obama’s team illegally disseminated and disclosed FISA information in direct violation of the statute precisely prohibiting such dissemination and disclosure. FISA prohibits, under criminal penalty, Obama’s team from doing any of the three.

At the outset, the NSA should have never been involved in a domestic US election. Investigating the election, or any hacking of the DNC or the phishing of Podesta’s emails, would not be a FISA matter. It does not fit the definition of war sabotage or a “grave” “hostile” war-like attack on the United States, as constrictively covered by FISA. It is your run-of-the-mill hacking case covered by existing United States laws that require use of the regular departments of the FBI, Department of Justice, and Constitutionally Senate-appointed federal district court judges, and their appointed magistrates, not secretive, deferential FISA courts.

Out of 35,000+ requests for surveillance, the FISA court has only ever rejected a whopping 12. Apparently, according to published reports, you can add one more to that — even the FISA court first rejected Obama’s request to spy on Trump’s team under the guise of an investigation into foreign agents of a pending war attack, intelligence agents apparently returned to the court, where, it is my assumption, that they did not disclose or divulge all material facts to the court when seeking the surveillance the second time around, some of which they would later wrongfully disseminate and distribute to the public. By itself, misuse of FISA procedures to obtain surveillance is itself, a crime.

This raises the second problem: Obama’s team submission of an affidavit to to the FISA court. An application for a warrant of any kind requires an affidavit, and that affidavit may not omit material factors. A fact is “material” if it could have the possible impact of impacting the judicial officer deciding whether to authorize the warrant. Such affidavits are the most carefully drawn up, reviewed, and approved affidavits of law enforcement in our system precisely because they must be fully-disclosing, forthcoming, and include any information a judge must know to decide whether to allow our government to spy on its own. My assumption would be that intelligence officials were trying to investigate hacking of DNC which is not even a FISA covered crime, so therefore serious questions arise about what Obama administration attorneys said to the FISA court to even consider the application. If the claim was “financial ties” to Russia, then Obama knew he had no basis to use FISA at all.

Since Trump was the obvious target, the alleged failure to disclose his name in the second application could be a serious and severe violation of the obligation to disclose all material facts. Lastly, given the later behavior, it is evident any promise in the affidavit to protect the surveilled information from ever being sourced or disseminated was a false promise, intended to induce the illicit surveillance. This is criminalized both by federal perjury statutes, conspiracy statutes, and the FISA criminal laws themselves.

That raises the third problem: it seems the FISA-compelled protocols for precluding the dissemination of the information were violated, and that Obama’s team issued orders to achieve precisely what the law forbids, if published reports are true about the administration sharing the surveilled information far-and-wide to promote unlawful leaks to the press. This, too, would be its own crime, as it brings back the ghost of Hillary’s emails — by definition, FISA information is strictly confidential or it’s information that never should have been gathered. FISA strictly segregates its surveilled information into two categories: highly confidential information of the most serious of crimes involving foreign acts of war; or, if not that, then information that should never have been gathered, should be immediately deleted, and never sourced nor disseminated. It cannot be both.

Recognizing this information did not fit FISA meant having to delete it and destroy it. According to published reports, Obama’s team did the opposite: order it preserved, ordered the NSA to search it, keep it, and share it; and then Obama’s Attorney General issued an order to allow broader sharing of information and, according to the New York Times, Obama aides acted to label the Trump information at a lower level of classification for massive-level sharing of the information. The problem for Obama is simple — if it could fit a lower level of classification, then it had to be deleted and destroyed, not disseminated and distributed, under crystal clear FISA law. Obama’s team’s admission it could be classified lower, yet taking actions to insure its broadest distribution, could even put Obama smack-middle of the biggest unlawful surveillance and political-opponent-smear campaign since Nixon. Except even Nixon didn’t use the FBI and NSA for his dirty tricks.

Watergate would have never happened if Nixon felt like he could just ask the FBI or NSA to tape the calls. This is Hoover-esque abuses of the kind Bob Woodward pal, former FBI Assistant Director Mark Felt (otherwise known as Deep Throat), routinely engaged in at the FBI until convicted and removed from office. (You didn’t know that Deep Throat was really a corrupt part of Deep State, did you? Guess who ran the famous COINTELPRO? That’s right — Deep Throat. How would the public have reacted if they knew the media had been in bed with the deep state all the way back then? Maybe that was the reason Woodward, Bernstein and Bradley kept Deep Throat’s identity secret all those years?)

Democrats may regret Sessions’ recusal, as his replacement is a mini-Sessions: a long-respected, a-political, highly ethical prosecutor, Dana Boente, whose reputation is well-warranted from his service at the Tax Division, and who won’t be limited by any perceived ties to Trump, given his prior appointment by Obama. Obama himself appeared scared of Boente, as he removed Boente from the successor-to-Sessions position during the lame-duck part of Obama’s presidency, but Trump restored Boente to that role earlier this month. Democrats may get the investigation they wanted, but it may be their own that end up named in the indictment.

Robert Barnes is a California-based trial attorney whose practice focuses on tax defense, civil rights and First Amendment law. You can follow him at @Barnes_Law


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fisa; fisarico; nsarico; politics; repositoryfisa; sedition; spying; treason
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To: Lazamataz; TigerClaws
Trump should hold a presser tomorrow and pardon Obama.

Just for the deliciousness.

21 posted on 03/05/2017 3:51:30 AM PST by onona (Keeping the faith will be our new directive for the republic !)
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To: Missouri gal

President Trump is an incredible egotist and must always be right and must always win.
AND I LOVE IT!! We haven’t had a fighter on our side for many, many years.

If this had been W (wuss) in charge, most of his people would have resigned or hung themselves by now and he would have apologized and given the office to hillary.


22 posted on 03/05/2017 3:51:42 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Freedom56v2

Since FISA can only be used to gather foreign intelligence information the Obama admenistation created the entire Russia meme


23 posted on 03/05/2017 3:52:35 AM PST by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: TigerClaws

Not true. Nothing ever happens to Rats. Sandy Berger? Holder? BJ? None of ‘em. Needs to change but so far...


24 posted on 03/05/2017 3:57:53 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: pepsionice

I think the bottom line is that there’s some people in the ‘resistance’ movement that are going to go to jail. The democrats are again trying to play harlem globetrotters against the Washington generals. This is Donald Trump they’re going up against and not George Bush or even Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump is doing 3d Chess and the democrats are playing chess. The president has demonstrated here the capacity and the willingness to play the cards he’s got and not pull punches. Trump is not going to give them the ‘GOP-like’ cuckold behavior.

I’m waiting for the follow through because this right here is where you grab them by the belt and kick them in the ass. I’m waiting for the Swamp to drain into the Federal Penitentiaries .


25 posted on 03/05/2017 4:04:42 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.)
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To: shelterguy

Wow!!! This analysis should be simplified and presented everywhere. Talk about a constitutional crisis... looks like the Obama team has created one... this is a job for a special prosecutor like Guiani!


26 posted on 03/05/2017 4:20:55 AM PST by RedEyeJack (What was the basis for the restriction?)
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To: TigerClaws

The article asserts many errors. FISA is designed to allow continued listening, and to “minimize” the unknown intrusion on innocent snoopees. The whole judicial point of the FISA process is to allow evidence obtained by snooping to come into criminal trials. The criminal penalties side of the law is toothless, and is there to give false comfort to the public.


27 posted on 03/05/2017 4:25:51 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: pepsionice
The thing is...he’s not real GOP-like in behavior.

When can we expect Lock Her Up Day? The day before PFBP Day?
I would imagine that Prosecute the First Black President Day might be next February 31.

Barnes has written a fine article there but I suspect he is not playing with a full deck of race cards.

28 posted on 03/05/2017 4:41:32 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: TigerClaws

The best breakdown I have seen and read since this Conspiracy began


29 posted on 03/05/2017 5:07:32 AM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: All

Bookmark


30 posted on 03/05/2017 5:18:35 AM PST by ssfromla
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To: TigerClaws
Dems went all in. They gambled that their crimes would never be discovered because TRUMP COULD NOT WIN!

They deluded themselves with self righteous belief in their superiority. They medicated their minds with claims to “SAVE THE PLANET,” “BLACK LIVES MATTER,” “WHITE RACISTS RULE.”

Soon there was no limit to their actions and misuse of power. They were justified in using whatever tools, weapons they could find.

It is exactly how they envision the bloodbath Armageddon street war they so desperately want. They only rule is : if you see whitey, kill whitey!

31 posted on 03/05/2017 5:35:51 AM PST by Awgie (Truth is always stranger than fiction.)
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To: TigerClaws

Drain the swamp!


32 posted on 03/05/2017 5:40:50 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: TigerClaws

Censure and Move On (TM) < /s >


33 posted on 03/05/2017 6:11:17 AM PST by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: Samurai_Jack

Samurai_Jack, your observation in re Bush letting them off the hook is spot on. Trump doesn’t play that way.

I have no doubt that Trump is diligent about keeping the long-term best interests of the nation at the front of his planning and his agenda.

It may be that he is willing, also then, to push this whole matter to a clean legal conclusion.

In medicine, there are often instances where the short term impact of the treatment is horribly debilitating; cancer comes to mind, first. Chemo therapy and drastic surgical interventions are not uncommon, as we know.

Same may be the case here. In order to ferret out the truly cancerous deep state, and restore the good health of the nation, the short term ‘treatment’ may have to be radical, bruising, and (for some) painful.

We need to stand firm with Trump, and pull this nation back from the brink of the pending coup by the leftists.


34 posted on 03/05/2017 6:40:53 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2017; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Awgie
"Dems went all in."

Exactly and they're frightened out of their minds. There's no horror more terrible to a democrat than to be actually held accountable for their actions in spite of their intentions. Not only that, but to be held accountable for the seriousness of their charges without the weight of evidence. Their butts are in the wind right now and President Trump is approaching with a V8 Hemi Powered Rug Beater.

It's time to stop, hey what's that sound, everybody look what's goin down! This is the revolution you asked for.

Go get behind it!


35 posted on 03/05/2017 8:20:45 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.)
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To: Freedom56v2

Your name has been updated.


36 posted on 03/05/2017 10:21:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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