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SunRail ticket revenue is less than ticketing expense (Florida-Orlando)
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 3-4-17 | Kevin Spear

Posted on 03/04/2017 3:28:26 PM PST by dynachrome

It’s no secret that tickets bought by SunRail passengers pay only a tiny fraction of the commuter train’s bills, but less known is that ticket revenue doesn’t even cover the cost of selling tickets.

SunRail’s finances would be slightly stronger if riding was free. Put another way, the revenue of $1 to $7.50 per ticket is devoured by ticket machines, employees who support ticket sales and armored cars that collect fares, and does nothing to keep the train running.

“If we have to pay more money to collect revenue than we are actually collecting, why does it make sense to collect it at all?” asked Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer, speaking this week as a member of the Central Florida Commuter Rail Commission.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: choochoo; florida; highspeed; scam
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Another liberal wet dream bites the dust.
1 posted on 03/04/2017 3:28:26 PM PST by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

“SunRail’s finances would be slightly stronger if riding was free.”

yeah, but the nominal cost of tickets at least keeps the worst of the riff-raff out of the cars. Free rides would instantly turn this into gang-banger-only transportation.


2 posted on 03/04/2017 3:31:44 PM PST by catnipman ( Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: dynachrome

Make it up in volume.


3 posted on 03/04/2017 3:32:05 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: dynachrome

Handling cash is expensive.

Toll roads are becoming RFID chip based and photo bill if you don’t have an ID.


4 posted on 03/04/2017 3:32:49 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: dynachrome

I remember when this was first proposed. Someone calculated that it would be cheaper to lease a Volvo sedan to every passenger who was expected to ride on the system.


5 posted on 03/04/2017 3:34:05 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

Where does it go???


6 posted on 03/04/2017 3:48:28 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: catnipman

“Free rides would instantly turn this into gang-banger-only transportation.”

Or hotels for the homeless.


7 posted on 03/04/2017 3:51:21 PM PST by Fai Mao (I still want to see The PIAPS in prison)
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To: Fai Mao

Solution, keep selling the tickets, but convert the bill collecting machines into shredders. Forget about counting the money, just send the trash to the dump. That would be the cheapest solution.


8 posted on 03/04/2017 4:08:24 PM PST by AdSimp
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To: dynachrome

Slum Rail was Mica’s thuggery. Good bye to bad rubbish.


9 posted on 03/04/2017 4:24:36 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: dynachrome

Willie Green is deeply saddened.


10 posted on 03/04/2017 4:27:06 PM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: dynachrome

It keeps people off the roads though. I gladly pay to support public transit to keep fewer people on the roads.


11 posted on 03/04/2017 4:41:37 PM PST by babble-on
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To: dynachrome
The core argument for public transportation is to avoid extra road building cost and to provide a way for the poor and disabled to get around. Unfortunately, Orlando was about 40 years late to develop a rail system because of determined opposition from Disney, other tourism venues, taxi and car rental companies, and major land development interests. Eventually, most of the opponents were clubbed into acquiescence by brute facts: SunRail and a better bus system were needed or Orlando's many low wage employees without cars would often find it impossible to get to work.

Unfortunately, due to the decades of delay, cost considerations prevent Orlando from having a logical, high traffic light rail system that connects the tourist areas and airport with central Orlando. In this manner, Disney's exclusivity as a tourist destination and the business model of taxi and car rental companies were protected. SunRail thus now mainly takes traffic off the congested I-4 corridor. It is hardly a surprise that the take from fares is dismal now, with the expectation that it will gradually grow over the years.

12 posted on 03/04/2017 4:42:35 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tol - get a load of this!


13 posted on 03/04/2017 5:13:05 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: dynachrome

Clearly, the way to optimize revenue would be to charge one billion dollars fare per passenger mile. Then they wouldn’t have to collect any fairs, run trains or open any stations.


14 posted on 03/04/2017 5:36:12 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Hojczyk

It was originally planned to follow I-4 from Orlando to Tampa. Only a relatively short segment in the Orlando area has been built thus far.


15 posted on 03/04/2017 6:25:41 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: TADSLOS

Heh. Blast from the past.


16 posted on 03/04/2017 6:54:16 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Hojczyk

It goes from Sanford, Florida just north of Orlando, to the south side of downtown, almost (but not quite) to the airport.


17 posted on 03/04/2017 7:05:28 PM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: babble-on

If you’re thinking of diverting gas tax to bus and rail, I disagree. Use a penny sales tax for that, so that the highway “user fees” can actually go to the roads.


18 posted on 03/05/2017 5:31:52 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Life was so much better before Hart-Cellar.)
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To: BobL

When they opened the first express toll lanes (HOT Lanes) on Highway 167 near Seattle, the revenue apparently was not enough to even cover the cost of maintaining the tolling equipment. I have no idea whether things have improved since I read that a few years ago.


19 posted on 03/05/2017 5:35:14 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Life was so much better before Hart-Cellar.)
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To: BobL

That is, the first toll lanes in Washington state, not necessarily for the entire country.


20 posted on 03/05/2017 5:35:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Life was so much better before Hart-Cellar.)
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