Posted on 02/26/2017 8:23:23 AM PST by Leaning Right
When suspending Caleb ONeil for recording his professors rant against then-President-elect Donald Trump, the dean of Orange Coast College said that the punishment should make the student truly think through your actions and the consequences of those actions.
But it was the college that rethought its actions after two weeks of intense criticism that the California school was stifling a conservative student to protect a liberal professor.
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Some professors use the misguided notion that their lectures are “intellectual property”. However there are some problems if the professor is showing a film or something that’s copyrighted. The question in this case was that recording without consent is illegal in California if what is being recorded is private. The problem, and this is why I think the suspension was thrown out, is a classroom lecture at a public institution private? I would say no, but I’m not a lawyer.
> There is usually more to a liberal than what shows on the surface <
Most conservatives just want to be left alone. Most liberals want to impose their beliefs on others. That puts most liberals into one of two categories: busybodies or fascists.
“No doubt the young man has experienced disruption and now has a cloud over his head when liberal profs see him in class...”
More likely that the liberal professors wet themselves and cower in fear behind their desks whenever they see this student. This story shows how truly weak and pathetic these liberal weasels are when someone makes the effort to push back against them.
Possibly, but I would still argue that lefties would seek to lower his grades going forward using subjective but defendable grounds that might be applied differently to other students. Leftists are petty, and down with the struggle.
Unfortunately for the student he will probably receive lower grades than he should in that class.
There are also a lot of schools that encourage the faculty member to record all or parts of a lecture for the students in the class. There are many schools that invest a lot of money into equipment and software for this. Students can sign into portals to get the material. I also think of the open courseware from places like MIT and UC-Berkely that are well recorded past lectures. So unless the College was providing the recording, I don’t see any reason for a student to not be able to record.
From the article. It also spelled out his punishment. A semester long suspension, because he had broken campus rules against using recording devices.
I recall that rule was also discussed in an earlier article and thread about this case. And that is beyond ridiculous and can only be a rule to prevent students from having indisputable evidence of exactly what was said during lectures. Some of these academics want free speech with no accountability, or proof of what they said. That's my take on this situation.
If I were making the rules, audio recordings of lectures would be encouraged, but video recording prohibited because a class full of students pointing their phones all around could be disruptive and distracting for everyone in the class.
A slave? I thought they were against slavery. That is so damn disgusting. Too bad they won’t fire this lunatic.
WINNING AGAIN!
“That’s the way, uh-huh uh-huh
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh”
Nice that the WP itself helps me “Just say no to the WP”. I’ve already exceeded my three-article limit.
Stealing your property and then giving it back isn't enough. The thieves have to be punished to deter them and other thieves from doing it again.
Yes, many articles have stated that recordings were against the student code of conduct but until I see that action specifically barred, in a written list of rules, I remain skeptical.
I am not a lawyer, but I will bet you that the CA law is intended to apply to private conversations, not to a college lecture.
The last time I looked into this, there is a Supreme Court decision that we have a constitutional right to photograph, and video record anything which happens in public. This is why it is OK to record police so long as one does not interfere with their actions.
The college would have a very difficult time differentiating between a lecture at a public institution and a public event. Any argument that one has to pay tuition to attend the lecture is going to be tenuous in light of the fact that colleges encourage visitors, student guests, and prospective students to attend a few lectures to get an impression of what the college is like. This is always free. Sounds like a public event to me.
I suspect the school administrators are low-wattage drones who tried to misapply the law and got set straight by a real lawyer somewhere.
I agree, if I were a professor I would like my class to be video recorded. It would be a good way of resolving a student said / I said dispute. Also for security reasons.
Such professors are professional predators that no parent should let their child near.
“good to know there’s an element of conservatism still around in that part of the world. “
Fading fast, FRiend :(
Started noticing it in 1996 when Loretta Sanchez (Brixey) knocked off “B-1” Bob Dornan. County went for Clinton last year, first Dem Presidential candidate since depression era FDR to win OC. Fortunately, my city has not had a Dem on the municipal ballot since it incorporated 17 years ago.
I’d hit it, with a baseball bat!
I always encourage my students to record my lectures,I have nothing to hide. Most of my students don’t take notes, they snap pictures of the blackboard with their phones while I’m teaching.
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