Posted on 02/23/2017 1:09:59 PM PST by ForYourChildren
And yet Ted couldn’t find a reason to oppose her stridently in 2016.
That’s not helpful to her? Seriously?
Bud, I don’t agree with things Trump has done and said. He still ran on a Conservative platform and bested Ted.
At that point it’s Ted’s responsibility to stand up like a man and help defeat Clinton. The stakes were too high not to.
If Trump had done the same thing in reverse, I’d be right here trashing him every time he tried to raise his head and advocate a Conservative issue.
He’d have no standing. I’d be pissed at him, and I’d take him to task exactly like I am Ted.
You lose, you endorse, you do everything in your power to see your side win, or at the very least see the side with Hillary on it lose.
Words versus actions, ontap. I haven’t praised Donald Trump for supporting Hillary Clinton, ever. I think it was a mistake. But, he did, for his own reasons which were probably business related as he was a private citizen at the time. And, the consequences were nonexistent.
Then, we have Ted Cruz, bitter loser, runner-up in the Republican Presidential primary, getting on Air Force One with a bunch of prominent Democrats just days before the RNC, who went so far as making the bizarre decision to have a running mate in Carly Fiorina, as if he were somehow still in the running. Then, after he wasn’t able to somehow steal delegates to become the nominee himself, he went into a huff and couldn’t even bring himself to say Trump’s name. He disappeared for the bulk of the campaign. He supported Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, his own party’s Presidential nominee.
If you can’t see the major difference between the two that reflects very poorly upon Ted Cruz, then you’re just too partisan to be capable of making distinctions because it’s a huge one.
Unlike Trump Ted never supported Hillary. Evidently you think Getting Hillary elected for business reasons is better than her getting elected through not directly supporting her opponent. Somehow I think directly supporting her is worse....but that’s just me!!!
I think throwing a juvenile loser temper tantrum that came close to leading to Hillary Clinton winning the 2016 Presidential election is far worse than anything Donald Trump ever did as a private citizen years before, yes, I do.
That you don’t is highly curious.
Later on? He signed it when everyone else did. Good grief you can spin can’t you.
How many of the other signers jumped in to help?
Very few out of 19 people.
Then you trash Trump because he might not have done it. LOL
That’s just funny.
I think you are very selective in what offends you at any rate what you think is your business although I fail to see the difference in what one does as a private citizen and as a sitting Senator. It is obvious to me the Trump the billionaire had a lot more sway than one of a hundred Senators!!
Cruz was a lot more than just a sitting Junior Senator, ontap. He was a failed Presidential candidate with a grudge.
Cruz is right on this topic!
When you sign it, that’s all you can do.
Trump wasn’t called on to follow through.
Ted was. You think he was the better man, but he didn’t abide by his declaration.
None the less, you attempt to equate Trump with what Cruz failed to do. That’s childish.
You spun right there. It seems to come naturally for you.
When I remind you of Ted’s actual deeds, you call it spin. No, it’s history.
It’s not childish to remind you of the drive true Conservatives have to block someone as dangerous as Hillary Clinton from being president, and the FACT Ted Cruz failed to oppose her candidacy forcefully.
Not one person on this forum failed to oppose her forcefully. Not one.
Nobody in my Lefty state came in second in the primaries and refused to oppose Hillary Clinton with all their might.
I hate to break it to you, but this was a national election, and Ted refused to show up and support our cause. That was your cause too.
Don’t try to push Ted’s antics off on my state. He pulled that routine as a U. S. Senator from Texas.
My state has enought to answer for. That’s another discussion.
I really am embarassed to point out the fallacious thinking of my Elders, but if Cruz primary voters - 8 million - had stayed home, like 5 million conservatives did for Romney, Trump would have lost.
Please don’t take offense.
No offense taken because on face value, that makes sense.
Can you tell me how many potential voters stayed home because of the lack of unification at the convention?
Did those all have to be Cruz supporters?
Could some Republicans have been watching and decided not to back Trump because even people within the party were telegraphing he was very problematic?
Could some Democrats have been watching and decided not to back Trump because even “his own” were disowning him?
Remember these things. Trump was being trashed by Beck, Levin, and other notables. Leaders in the Republican Party were trashing him. The full media was bombarding him.
You have looked at the totals and decided all Cruz’s supporters voted for Trump, but that may not be true at all.
Others may have stepped up. I think trump brought a lot of new people to the dance. Those folks attending his events weren’t only Republicans, or even traditional Republicans who always voted.
We will never know how many folks sat out this election. I think it’s a lot higher than many folks think. If all the traditional voters the crossovers, and the new folks that were brought in had voted, I think we could have had another five to ten million.
Think of the message a 350 electoral vote win would have sent.
It would have told our leader a much stronger message about them not daring to challenge Trump.
We will never know the full damage Cruz may have cost our hopes and dreams long term.
We were in an atmosphere of folks demonizing Trump far beyond reality bases on character, and Cruz fed right into that. What does that sort of thing do?
It suppresses the vote.
“You were betrayed by Ted Cruz last year. You can admit it or continue to try to avoid admitting it.
Now you call it a brilliant strategy (my extrapolation), to back a guy who betrayed us.
Why?
He has shown you what his real true colors are.
Why are you in denial over this. It’s crystal clear.”
Give it a rest already! You Cruz haters still can not or will not see who the real enemy is!
“When Ted Cruz is no longer in office, I’ll move on.
Move on is exactly what Cruz expected folks to urge when he betrayed us last year.
Not having it.”
Point out exactly how Cruz, betrayed you!
“You guys obviously care more about Ted Cruz than the nation.”
Apparently you hate Ted Cruz more than you love the nation!
Rather comical close when I’m taking Cruz to task for not knowing who the real enemy was, and you’re having none of it.
“Aww, you’re having such a tough time getting over the fact that Ted got crushed last year, and couldn’t recover enough to help defeat Hillary.”
And you are sound a great deal like the protestors in the street that have no idea what they are protesting about, just wanting to burn and loot and make a lot of noise!
Well I consider it a betrayal of Conservatism when a self-professed Conservative refuses to fight tooth and nail to prevent the likes of Hillary Clinton being elected president. My beliefs being on the line under a possible Clinton term, it’s a betrayal when someone like Ted refuses to do all he can to protect and preserve the viability of those beliefs.
They were supposed to be beliefs he shared. I am no longer convinced of that.
If you spent your venom and energy as much against McCain, Graham, McConnell and Cornyn as you do Cruz, you may be making some sense!
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