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So the Fourth Circuit court just basically gutted Heller
Hotair ^ | 02/23/2017 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 02/23/2017 8:30:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind

It looks like Neil Gorsuch is going to have his plate full when he finally takes his seat on the Supreme Court. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has been busy uprooting the Second Amendment this week, delivering a stunning opinion which essentially overturns the Heller decision without so much as a by your leave to SCOTUS. It involves a case out of Maryland where the state’s Democrats decided to ban “assault rifles” and high-capacity magazines. Apparently the idea of precedent is not something they care to have any truck with, as Charles C.W. Cook explains at National Review.

Freed up by the Supreme Court’s ongoing reluctance to engage in depth with the Second Amendment, the Fourth Circuit has taken it upon itself to rewrite Heller en banc. In a 10–4 decision, issued yesterday afternoon, the court upheld Maryland’s ban on both “assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines.” By so doing, it deprived the people of Maryland, the Carolinas, and the Virginias of the core protections to which the Constitution entitles them.

As Judge Traxler’s dissent pointedly establishes, the majority achieved this transformation by contriving “a heretofore unknown ‘test,’ which is whether the firearm in question is ‘most useful in military service.’” In effect, this “test” is designed to permit judges to determine that any weapon they might dislike is unprotected by the Second Amendment and can therefore be prohibited with impunity. Forget that Heller contains its own explicit tests. Forget the “common use” standard. Forget “dangerous and unusual.” There’s a new kid in town, and he’s coming for your rifles.

Pardon my language, but where the hell did the phrase R#8220;most useful in military service” come from? As Charles aptly points out, this is completely new ground which was summoned up out of whole cloth by the majority in this decision. And what does that even mean?

There are two competing narratives which could be applied to these questions. First, let’s look at the ostensible target of the original legislation. They were going after the AR-15 and its related cousins in the firearms market. This begs the question of how many AR-15 style rifles are currently in use. On the civilian side, the NRA estimates that more than 5 million households have one. In a single seven day span last year following the Orlando shooting, more than 30,000 were sold. But how about the military? As it turns out, the rifles under discussion are civilian models which only fire one shot each time the trigger is pulled. The military doesn’t use them. So technically, calling this particular firearm “most useful in military service” is a complete red herring since the military has no interest in them.

But that’s not to say that the weapon couldn’t be used in a military scenario for the purpose of killing the enemy. (Even though the AR-15 is a somewhat under-powered platform.) The same could be said, as Charles points out, for most standard hunting rifles. If you really have to kill the enemy a good 30:06 will get the job done. The same can be said for virtually any semiautomatic handgun of sufficient caliber and they are frequently carried in combat scenarios. Going by the “logic” of the Fourth Circuit court there is almost no weapon of any sort which would fail to meet this test.

Will the Supreme Court actually entertain nonsense like this as some new standard in defiance of all precedent? I can certainly think of four members who might. This is yet another case which demonstrates how important it is to get Neil Gorsuch on the job as quickly and efficiently as possible. This sort of claptrap coming from the lower courts must be kept in check.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; fourthcircuit; heller; secondamendment
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To: DugwayDuke

Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment, or that its use could contribute to the common defense.
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That is what they are saying, that because it is not ordinary military equipment it therefore can be banned.
The 4th circuit is taking the opposite view and saying that since the AR-15 could be considered a military weapon it can be banned.


41 posted on 02/23/2017 10:47:07 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

VERY bad jurisprudence based on utter ignorance; let’s hope this is overturned by the USSC.


42 posted on 02/23/2017 12:01:42 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Lurkinanloomin

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/neil-gorsuch-second-amendment-guns-gun-control-nra-concealed-carry-gun-issues-supreme-court-nominee/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444480/neil-gorsuch-second-amendment-would-be-safe-him-supreme-court

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170203/trump-supreme-court-nominee-neil-m-gorsuch-would-respect-the-second-amendment

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/31/trump-scotus-nominee-2nd-amendment-protects-individual-right/


43 posted on 02/23/2017 2:25:36 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The GOP will see the light, because Trump will make them feel the heat.it is hugh and series)
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To: SeekAndFind
A 9mm is "most useful in military service" if it's all you got left at the moment.

What an insane "test."

44 posted on 02/23/2017 7:13:25 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: factoryrat

The worse are the libs who share some Story with a BS headline and only comment “this.”

It made them feel good and since they have no understanding of a thing outside of their safe space they throw a one word temper tantrum.


45 posted on 02/23/2017 10:52:20 PM PST by matt04
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To: DugwayDuke

You are right that no evidence was presented regarding short barrel shotguns and the military, as the feral government was the only presenter of briefs in this case. Imagine the tortured howls from liberals if an abortion case were to be decided with only anti abortion briefs presented to the court.


46 posted on 02/23/2017 11:44:54 PM PST by allblues (God is neither a Republican nor a Democrat but Satan is definitely a Democrat)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fried eggs, pancakes, and mashed potatos are also widely used in the military. The color Green is used in the Army and Marines, Blue in the Air Force and Grey in the Navy....


47 posted on 02/24/2017 3:44:11 AM PST by Jumper
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To: SoFloFreeper

These so called Judges, are nothing more more than Socialists wearing dirty black robes. It truly is amazing how they ignore the Constitution. We the People have had enough.


48 posted on 02/24/2017 5:05:18 AM PST by MGunny
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To: SeekAndFind
Neil Gorsuch will be confirmed, despite my Senator Merkley having a hissy fit about the "stolen seat". What I am the most excited about is the next Supreme Court seat. It will be a 90% chance of it being a left leaning seat, then we can change the balance of the court for a few decades.

Imagine the dems when that happens. R's take the congress, the Senate, the POTUS and now the US Supreme Court, there will be suicides.

49 posted on 02/24/2017 7:21:48 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: factoryrat

Uh, they start sentences with “so” to milliaggress you. It’s all calculated to create Hope and Change...


50 posted on 02/25/2017 2:21:27 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: NorthMountain

99% of the Senate went with the Corker Treaty Inversion.


51 posted on 02/25/2017 2:27:02 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: matt04

Bump.


52 posted on 02/25/2017 2:32:12 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: simpson96

I think its a hoot when I see and hear adults try to use it!! It’s like lets start the conversation off in the middle of a paragraph!


53 posted on 02/25/2017 3:03:21 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: SeekAndFind

By this logic the court could ban the P38 can opener.


54 posted on 02/25/2017 9:38:32 AM PST by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: SeekAndFind

Ten of these black-robe fascists on the 4th circus are apparently incapable of understanding Heller.

Congress needs to impeach and remove them now. Then charge them with treason.


55 posted on 02/27/2017 10:14:35 AM PST by sergeantdave (Cats are like potato chips - you can't have just one.)
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