nothing to see here folks, move along, move along... 
Posted on 02/19/2017 8:49:19 PM PST by nickcarraway
How much trust should the average citizen invest in articles invoking the CIA as a source, and why?
Fester Chugabrew is right.
nothing to see here folks, move along, move along...
The Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein were both bulwarks again Islamic extremism. Stupid Jimmy Carter knocked off the Shah. Then stupid George Bush II knocked off Saddam.
So now we have ISIS. And now we have Islamic extremism worldwide.
The only question left is who did more damage, Carter or Bush II? I vote for Bush II, without any hesitation. Bush II did more than just remove an obstacle to the caliphate. He got a lot of people killed in the process.
I will now retreat to my underground bunker while the Bush apologists post about how Saddam had all those WMDs, WMDs that the Bush administration could did not find.
And no, pictures or rumors don’t count. If we had really found WMDs, Bush and Cheney would have called a news conference to brag about it. But there was no news conference.
Is this “Nixon” CIA yokle the caliber of folks we trusted with top level intelligence gathering?
I think some one is lying.
Full of AKs?
It wasn’t weaponized patchouli oil that Saddam used in the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.
Don’t get me wrong. Saddam was a bad man. He was evil. But that doesn’t mean that the U.S. needed to topple him, especially when we had our hands full in Afghanistan.
not out n the middle of the desert like that... it's been said to be sarin etc.
Expanding on my post #9. Stalin was a bad man, an evil man. Should FDR have invaded Russia while at the same time fighting Hitler and Tojo? Of course not.
The same applies in regards to Bush II. He had his hands full in Afghanistan. Yet Bush II decided to open up another front. Not only did that divide our resources, it angered many folks who would have otherwise stayed on the sidelines.
You mean Bush I.
We took ownership of destabilizing Iraq with the first Gulf War ...
> We took ownership of destabilizing Iraq with the first Gulf War ... <
Good point. What’s that old saying? If you break it, you bought it.
Yep, I think Saddam himself backs me up on this by calling the Kuwait invasion "his big headache".
And I have yet to have a "discussion" with a liberal about Gulf War II end with anything but a profanity laced tirade when I correct them in blaming Bush II for invading Iraq in the first place.
The Shah of Iran was, Saddam Hussein most certainly was NOT.
Saddam's red-headed general al Dhouri was the guy who cultivated islamic extremists on behalf of the regime, bringing them in and directing Saddam to act to appeal to them, including adopting shariah law...before 9/11.
The regime funded and armed Mullah Krekar's Ansar group as a means of attacking the Kurds in the north. Ansar's group was later absorbed by Jordanian terrorist Zarqawi's organization. According to regime documents from the Harmony database, the regime had a relationship with islamic extremists based in London.
Stupid Jimmy Carter knocked off the Shah.
Carter's stupidity did undermine the Shah, but he was not the one who ultimately did the toppling. That honor goes to the USSR and to Saddam Hussein who supported the communists who joined with islamists to overthrow him.
Then stupid George Bush II knocked off Saddam.
Nothing wrong with that- Saddam Hussein was harboring Abu Nidal and his terrorist group; Saddam was also harboring the guy behind the cell that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. And, Saddam was harboring both of the future cofounders of ISIS - Zarqawi and his end-times islamicist General al Dhouri. Zarqawi had at least two cells in Iraq before the US led invasion, one based directly in Baghdad that consisted mostly of Egyptians... the other near the border with Iran in the north that was associated with the European network of al Qaeda that operated out of Milan...the same bunch, as I recall, that was recorded by Italy joking before 9/11 about getting airliner parts as souvenirs...and the same bunch which was harbored by Syria as Syria [supported no doubt by allies Russia and Iran] attempted to keep the insurgency in Iraq alive in advance of the surge by importing recruits from Europe. Saddam was also funding Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines at the time they were having a field day abducting and decapitating tourists there, including Americans.
So now we have ISIS.
ISIS was there all along, just under another name. It was driven out in the Anbar awakening, only to return because the Obama admin practically invited them back in by withdrawing our troops prematurely.
And now we have Islamic extremism worldwide.
We've had islamic and arabic extremism worldwide since 1979. Nicaraguan Sandinsta terrorists and the PLO even hijacked an airliner together. Cuba trained Libyan, Algerian and Palestinian terrorists for years and years [in addition to the nonislamic IRA] and the Russians imported islamic and assorted revolutionaries for training at their Patrice Lumumba U for ages.
The only question left is who did more damage, Carter or Bush II? I vote for Bush II, without any hesitation. Bush II did more than just remove an obstacle to the caliphate. He got a lot of people killed in the process.
Strange that you don't mention Clinton or Obama, the former for his inaction against rising terrorism such as the 1998 US embassy bombings ...and cowardice in Somalia... which bin Laden cited - along with Reagan's withdrawal from Lebanon - as the proof that terrorism works and the inspiration for the 9/11 attacks. Obama is singularly responsible for the greatest number of civilian casualties by opening the way for ISIS to swarm out of Syria into Iraq acquire and hold the territory and resources to not just sustain a local fight but also to expand into other continents.
I will now retreat to my underground bunker
Good idea.
The AQ terrorists we were fighting in Afghanistan for the most part fled to Iran and Iraq long before we invaded Iraq.
They returned en masse to Afghanistan in Obama’ term when Obama’s VP Biden declared that the Taliban were not an enemy... and the Obama admin took the pressure off and began supporting them setting up a Taliban office in Qatar as part of their idiotic - and premature-”reconciliation efforts.”
He was evil. But that doesn’t mean that the U.S. needed to topple him, especially when we had our hands full in Afghanistan.
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His two murdering, child rapist sons were killed and that’s a good thing.
Thank you Chode. Too many people dismiss the WMD in Iraq claim as completely false. I know better and it’s too bad more people don’t like to use what’s between their ears.
Even the nyt finally had to admit that we found thousands.
Al Arabiya is posting this now and that’s good, everyone should know this. I’m just saying, these articles and on Nixon’s book have been in the news for the past 2 months. Hindsight, 20/20 as they say.
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